There are too many possible reasons to count, especially considering it was her first marathon. There are just so many variables compared to other events.
And you're running on such an edge; if you go over even a bit you can be screwed. You could be prepared to run 2:30, but you go out on 2:28 pace, and you bomb and run 2:36. It's an unforgiving event.
She should eat bananas and beet juice .
Barrister wrote:
agc5k wrote "Its her first marathon, so of course she's gonna be inexperienced taking in fluids and hydrating. Flanagan's first marathon she only took fluids once."
Sure if you don't prepare. It isn't that hard to practice grabbing a fluid bottle in training. Some elites practice taking them off tables, while others have coaches hand them to them. Most folks don't think about it until they are in the race, hence the awkwardness you often see. To be well prepared you need to think about how much fluid, gels, etc. you will take in during the race. You can base this off your training and how you did testing different quanities on long or MP runs. Some folks need more, some need less.
What´s so bloody difficult with that? Drink as much sports drink as you can tolerate every 15 minutes. Only joggers use gels.
fsafasfsasfasf wrote:
WRONG.
Exercise-associated muscle cramps (EAMCs): Consumption of a carbohydrate-electrolyte beverage before and during exercise in a hot environment may delay the onset of EAMCs, thereby allowing participants to exercise longer.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1150229/
Oh yeah. 13 participants. Study didn't look at differences between electrolyte beverage and water but electrolyte beverage and no fluids at all. What a crock.
I guess you believe in global warming too, idiot.
By far the most important cause of cramps is fatigue. The second cause is dehydration, and third, for some individuals, electrolytes may play a role.
It was God's will
She didn't want her husband to feel bad.
She got psyched out. I am sure she adores her husband and has seen all of the problems he has with it. I am think she was really scared of it and her performance with a result of that fear. The most important thing in the marathon is a strong mind. She said she got cramps but why did she cramp up? FEAR
all that you don't say her time
acc wrote:
She didn't want her husband to feel bad.
Misery breeds company,,,,
'I guess you believe in global warming too, idiot.'
Classy... but I guess 'high school' says it all.
I also ran (terribly) at LA this past weekend. It was obviously warm, but in addition the air seemed particularly dry and acrid. I was thirsty on the starting line and grabbed fluid at every single aid station. Never done that before, even in some warmer marathons I've done like Nashville and Las Vegas. Didn't matter, as myself and many others still blew up and could barely jog in the last 10K. There was a train of folks jogging 6:20-30 pace toward the end of the race looking like someone stole their lunch money. I think this was the experience of a lot of people folks in the elite and sub-elite corrals who were as much as 10-15 minutes off their goal pace. I dunno, maybe it was just me, but the air quality seemed particularly brutal.
I went by Sarah as we approached the finish line and she was pushing through what looked like considerable discomfort. I dunno if it was the best decision, but hey, kudos to her for finishing the race and not throwing in the towel when things went pear-shaped.
WRONG! Plenty of elites use gels. Examples?
Marilson Gomes dos Santos from Brazil (2:06:34 Marathon).
Sara Moreira from Portugal (3rd place @ last year's NYC Marathon).
fsafasfsasfasf wrote:
Your ignorance is stunning.
-- dehydration and electrolyte loss are not the sole causes of EAMCs, because 69%
Therefore 31% yes, and your hypothesis of NO impact is WRONG.
If your hypothesis that dehydration causes EAMCs is correct, why did FEWER people who DIDN'T drink ANYTHING get cramps? 9/13 got cramps when drinking gatorade and only 7/13 got cramps drinking nothing. Read the study, jeez!
You are right, Sara Hall has run much better the last 12 months and has turned in some really good performances. Looking back on her career though, this race seems to be the pattern with Sara. Many track races have ended in back of the pack results well under expectations. Maybe she doesn't run thru the "hurt" very well. If feeling good the results are good. If not its a nightmare for her.
Everyone loves her still!
Maybe you guys ought to cut her some slack. It was her first race and it did not go well. So what? Live, learn, reset and come back stronger.
Stat Geek wrote:
You are right, Sara Hall has run much better the last 12 months and has turned in some really good performances. Looking back on her career though, this race seems to be the pattern with Sara. Many track races have ended in back of the pack results well under expectations. Maybe she doesn't run thru the "hurt" very well. If feeling good the results are good. If not its a nightmare for her.
Everyone loves her still!
So female version of Manzano? Just super inconsistent? TBH I haven't followed her running until recently.
asdfasdfddddd wrote:
Stat Geek wrote:You are right, Sara Hall has run much better the last 12 months and has turned in some really good performances. Looking back on her career though, this race seems to be the pattern with Sara. Many track races have ended in back of the pack results well under expectations. Maybe she doesn't run thru the "hurt" very well. If feeling good the results are good. If not its a nightmare for her.
Everyone loves her still!
So female version of Manzano? Just super inconsistent? TBH I haven't followed her running until recently.
Over the past year or so she's actually been incredibly consistent. She was 2nd on the US road circuit to Huddle and was top 5 at practically every race on the roads I can remember.
[quote]asdfasdfds wrote:
Cramps were in fact MORE COMMON in the gatorade-fueled trial quote]
So you agree that electrolytes cause cramps?
Its her first marathon, so of course she's gonna be inexperienced taking in fluids and hydrating. Flanagan's first marathon she only took fluids once.[/quote]
This is not a criticism of Hall. But it is a criticism of the low standards fans sometimes seem to apply to PROFESSIONAL athletes. It would take an amateur, stealing Google time at lunch, how many minutes to learn the current conventional wisdom on eating/drinking during a marathon? One could certainly reasonably assume that a PROFESSIONAL runner would a) learn what they should probably do, b) practice it, and c) execute it in the race. I can have some sympathy for not getting the last part totally correct due to various factors, but not much else. Again, folks, they get paid to do this.
Reminds me of the lack of criticism of, say, a football player who misses parts of the 3rd or 4th quarters because they got dehydrated. If you're getting a full ride or million dollar contracts, you should be responsible enough to note the color of your urine and/or the fact that you haven't peed in hours.
acc wrote:
She didn't want her husband to feel bad.
That's good.
