Word is the 5000 field let the lap-counter do navel shot with them last night if he'd cut the race short for them, so they could get to happy hour earlier tonight. Good call on the lap-counter's part.
Word is the 5000 field let the lap-counter do navel shot with them last night if he'd cut the race short for them, so they could get to happy hour earlier tonight. Good call on the lap-counter's part.
Anyone have more info on this?
The announcer was giving wrong laps halfway through the race so the mistake happened early on. It sounds like the bell went off with 2 laps to go and many stopped with one lap left.
Yep. Question now is what happens.
Wash U runner took the lead from Stevens roughly 500 to go with a big kick and stopped at the 24the lap. Stevens runner kept running the 25th lap, and I don't know who else stopped early after that. Definitely an early bell and announcer saying they were on the last lap but with a 5:20ish opening mile, obviously 15:56 is unrealistic.
Just putting my posts from the 2015 DIII track thread here:
"Yeah, it seemed like the officials got the lap count wrong somewhere. The first point where I noticed it was when the announcer said they had 5 laps to go around 12:40 into the race. It just couldn't have been right given the seed times and number of people not too far off the lead.
It seems like they still haven't posted official results yet. Does anyone know what the rules are when the officials miscount the laps? I understand that when the athlete miscounts it's their fault, but it seems to me that if the bell rings you have to go, so the 24 lap result should be official (though obviously not for record purposes). But I have no clue what the official procedure is for situations like this."
And
"I looked at the rule book and searched for bell and the only thing that showed up is this: "The start of the final lap of the event leader shall be signaled by the firing of a pistol or the ringing of a bell." My reading of that would be that the bell signifies the final lap no matter what, but I'm not a TF official."
I still think using the 4800m result is the most fair thing to do since the officials and not the athletes messed up. And I hope the above quote from the rule book gives enough support for that outcome.
Also, I noticed that Emily Sisson said something about how "the lap counters are always correct" in her post-race interview. I guess she wasn't watching D3 nationals earlier!
They started the race with the lap counter at 24 instead of 25.
It looked like Cheadle made a big enough move that Reagan probably couldn't have responded to it, but how does anyone know if Reagan or anyone else was anticipating the correct number of laps remaining. Off memory there was a relatively tight group in the 6-10 pack where the 200 meter difference certainly could have impacted the outcome, although to be honest I don't know which of those runners were being told to run 24/25 laps.
They should have a do-over. Hold the race again in a week or on Sunday.
I'd agree with you, but based on the announcer and everything they were being told they had (n-1) laps left when there were really n from at least 3800 meters in. It wasn't like they went by at 4400 thinking they had three laps left then the bell rang at 4600: They'd been on track for finishing at 4800 from at least 3800, if not before.
aidan_bobby wrote:
They started the race with the lap counter at 24 instead of 25.
Isn't that how they usually start the lap counter for races that start and end at the finish line? As long as you don't decrease it to 23 before they come around after one lap, that should be fine (and if you did do it then, it should be pretty easy to notice after one lap that they didn't run 400 meters in 36 seconds or whatever, and you have plenty of time to correct it).
If you were watching the race, it was clear that the first several runners all thought they were done at 4800m. Cheadle completely blew Regan away in the last 500m. I'd be especially pissed if I was the coach of that one girl who DNF'ed after being 5th at 4800m.
How hard would it be to have the runners wear a chip and put a timing mat at the finish line and a monitor that would tell how many laps each runner has completed?
Chaos & Disaster? Ebola/Terrorism sufferers might disagree with your use of words here.
I say take the top 8 at the 4800 mark and run it again today with that smaller field. And get a quality set of officials.
I was timing the race while watching the race on the live stream and the leaders went through 1600m in approx 5:20 and 3200m in 10:40, so they were running pretty consistent 40 second laps. Winner finished the bell lap at right around 16:00.
The track announcer was giving the wrong lap count with at least 7 laps remaining, so I think they need to check the video and go with the 4800m results.
Yikes.
Official error wrote:
I was timing the race while watching the race on the live stream and the leaders went through 1600m in approx 5:20 and 3200m in 10:40, so they were running pretty consistent 40 second laps. Winner finished the bell lap at right around 16:00.
The track announcer was giving the wrong lap count with at least 7 laps remaining, so I think they need to check the video and go with the 4800m results.
Yikes.
JDL, horrible venue for a national championship and then this happens.
Official error wrote:
I was timing the race while watching the race on the live stream and the leaders went through 1600m in approx 5:20 and 3200m in 10:40, so they were running pretty consistent 40 second laps. Winner finished the bell lap at right around 16:00.
With dead even splits like that it makes the mistake even more unforgivable. To get the lap count just divide the time by 40.
I pretty much knew there was a mistake when I saw the winning time was 15:56. Most of these ladies qualified in the 16:45-17:15 range.
Editor's note: We are updating this thread with info that we've received. We just go this text from a top DIII coach.
A top DIII coach wrote:
Officials miscounted laps in D3 women's 5k, rang the bell early and stopped over half the field at 4800m. Coaches randomly yelled to their athletes to run another lap. Some girls kept going others stood around for over 10 sec before starting again. Oh and the winner was different for the 4800m race (Lucy Cheadle told to stop by official) compared to the 5000m race (Amy Reagan kept going)... One runner ended up a DNF because she was told she was done and didn't run another lap.
Apparently, the officials - unlike the officials last week who screwed up the NAIA 5k last week(http://goo.gl/KWRGQd) - decided to go with the 5000 results, not the 4800 results. Last week, the NAIA officials went with the 4700 results (it was oversized).
Protests have been field and a decision will be made tmw. So Amy Reagan or Lucy Cheadle will be named the champ tmw.
Here is the initial post on the thread that was initially titled, "DIII 5K Women (wrong number of laps?)"
Any word on what happened? Supposedly they rang the bell one lap too early? unofficially Cheadle won in 1556 or something like that but it may have been a lap short.
The announcer was mispronouncing both school names and runner names & an official nearly stepped in front of the men's dmr leader.
ho hum wrote:
If you were watching the race, it was clear that the first several runners all thought they were done at 4800m. Cheadle completely blew Regan away in the last 500m. I'd be especially pissed if I was the coach of that one girl who DNF'ed after being 5th at 4800m.
Cheadle isn't in the results anywhere. So the girl who one is the DNF? Look at the results. They make zero sense.
Section 1 Timed Finals
1 Abrah Masterson SO Cornell College 17:04.65
2 Adrian Walsh SO Middlebury 17:24.33
3 Laura Mead SR Wis.-La Crosse 17:21.73
4 Savanna Gornisiewicz SO Amherst 17:23.42
5 Ashley Curran SO Conn College 17:27.89
6 Nicole Zeinstra JR MIT 17:08.84
7 Elaine McVay SR MIT 17:18.80
8 Lucy Ramquist SR Wis.-Eau Claire 17:21.98
9 Bridget Gottlieb FR Johns Hopkins 17:09.15
10 Gabrielle Pepin JR St. Thomas-MN 17:26.11
11 Amy Regan JR Stevens Institut 16:48.55
12 Kelley Riffenburgh SR Haverford 17:24.61
13 Lucy Cheadle SR Washington U. 16:52.60
14 Sophia Meehan JR Johns Hopkins 17:00.33
15 Megan Costanzo JR North Central (I 17:21.04
16 Catie Campbell JR Mount Union 17:26.98
17 Frances Loeb SR Johns Hopkins 16:50.29
They went with the 4800m results, at least on the NCAA site:
Finals
1 Lucy Cheadle SR Washington U. NT 10
2 Amy Regan JR Stevens Institute NT 8
3 Sophia Meehan JR Johns Hopkins NT 6
4 Abrah Masterson SO Cornell College NT 5
5 Laura Mead SR Wis.-La Crosse NT 4
6 Frances Loeb SR Johns Hopkins NT 3
7 Gabrielle Pepin JR St. Thomas (Minn.) NT 2
8 Bridget Gottlieb FR Johns Hopkins NT 1