Official 2015 NCAA Indoor Day 1 Thread - Plus Notes from Yesterday's Press Conference

Is that what you think happened?

Jordy Williamsz 3:55.x on anchor 2+ secs on any anchor

Nova must have dropped stick

Predictable Day 1 for the most part. Surprised Geoghegan and Westphal didn't run better. And MSU women, even without O'Connor, I expected better.

runner85 wrote:

george oscar bluth wrote:

Bro was high fiving everyone heading to the startlline. Like the fans on the railings. His head wasn't in the right place.

I was thinking the same thing. Who the hell high fives like 4 people before a race? Happy to be there syndrome. Doesn't shock me at all that it was a lesser known school he was from. On that note the guy from monmouth is the real deal. Took it seriously and ran really well.

Many many many things wrong with these comments you made. I ran with him in high school and know Jesse pretty well. Heres why you are wrong:

a.) He was high fiving his former high school teammate who now runs for Gtown who was waiting outside the track for the next heat of the 800. Some would call that a couple of friends wishing each other good luck.

b.) His head was in the right place. Most level headed and humble kid you'll meet but you'd have to know him to know that. Always shaking hands before and after races to his competitors. Great high school coach and great family.

c.) "Lesser known school" is a joke. Do you follow the sport? Erik van Ingen ring a bell? Probably not because it seems you really don't know much or do your research.

d.) He's been in the spot light before. I would argue even on bigger stages than an NCAA prelim. Ran the millrose mile and ran in USATF outdoors last year.

His PRs are damn good too.. but once again, you'd have to be knowledgeable of the situation to know that...

Mile- 3:59

800- 1:46.98

3k- 8:28

Split a bunch of 47s in 4x4 as well

Why was the Binghamton kid DQed in the 800m? He didn't do anything wrong. Weird.

He also has the best smile in NCAAs.

He high fived more than one person. Clearly I wasn't the only person it stood out to.

That he false started in an 800m is enough evidence to me that his head wasn't in the right place.

And yes he's a very good runner. It is NCAAs, after all.

Nova's women's DMR officially DQed.

That was the most BS DQ I've ever seen. He wasn't steady on the 'set' mark, and instead of standing them up to shake out they fired the gun then DQ'd him. You can hate on mid majors for whatever reason you want ( how date they try to compete with the big guns with less money!?), or even a nervous but happy-to-be-there competitor (how f*cking dare he), but you can't justify that DQ. Watch the video. It was bull crap.

george oscar bluth wrote:

He high fived more than one person. Clearly I wasn't the only person it stood out to.

That he false started in an 800m is enough evidence to me that his head wasn't in the right place.

And yes he's a very good runner. It is NCAAs, after all.

sjt wrote:

Nova's women's DMR officially DQed.

Why? Didn't see race. How was Gtown so far back too?

No one is attacking him personally. It was unbiased opinions of the situation. He is obviously a great athlete, but I will respond to your points as a knowledgeable fan and spectator.

A.) He high fived a few people. It was obviously people he knew (who high fives random people before a race?), which makes no difference. smiling and giving high fives before a race seems a bit unorthodox for someone with an important race ahead of them. I think it is more weird that the other people would reach out for a high five 10 secs before someone is racing. A kind good luck or "let's go" would be more appropriate imo.

B.) It sounds like he is a really nice guy, but I would suggest shaking hands and high fiving BEFORE races will take away from focusing on the race ahead and looked odd which was noticed by a couple people.

c.) In context of the NCAA championships Binghamhamton is a lesser known school. When I saw Van ingen run the sub 4 miles I was like who is Binghamton. When you are in a meet with the biggest colleges in the NCAA Binghamton is very much a lesser known school. Although that is probably irrelevant.

d) He had way more pressure in this race than the others you stated.

Point is, he was the only athlete to smile and give high fives before the race and then he false started. If you believe it had no effect, fine, but other people thought it was a bit odd.

Just re-watched the start multiple times. Starter held them after "on your marks" way too long. The first three runners started out front on the most banked part of the track, the kid got wobbly due long delay between oym and the gun, and they should have brought them back up. There's absolutely NO reason to have a long wait on the 800m start gun. This had nothing to do with high fives and everything to do with a very lousy start by the officials.

I call your bs and raise you 2 wrote:

Just re-watched the start multiple times. Starter held them after "on your marks" way too long. The first three runners started out front on the most banked part of the track, the kid got wobbly due long delay between oym and the gun, and they should have brought them back up. There's absolutely NO reason to have a long wait on the 800m start gun. This had nothing to do with high fives and everything to do with a very lousy start by the officials.

There is a reason to hold the gun, it is to wait until everyone is still and in the correct position, if you wobble after a long time you weren't in the right position. They maybe should have called it back. It might not have anything to do with the celebrating before the race, but it is something that shouldn't be completely written off. I blame the people giving the high fives to someone racing, others may not.

I have to say, I don't know what happened that caused Stanford to run 3:10 on the first leg but I'm pissed I didn't get to see McGorty run with the big boys. Still ran a 4:01 all alone. Ran 3 races all season including this bust of a race. Almost upset he didn't get a red shirt after what happened today.

Nice run from UM with a 3rd place finish

The GTown men's middle legs were impressive. Esp. that 400 leg - 46.xx - a Frosh - fastest split of the day. And a 1:46 from Ledder. Gave Bartlesmeyer the best chance they could; Ches, Creese, and Co. were just too much. Once he ran that slow 3rd 400 and let those guys catch up easily it was over.

Garn got DQ'ed in his America East conference meet. He started in the outer lanes of a double waterfall start. He ran over the lane 4 line multiple times then suddenly moved down to join the other waterfall group (lane 1) in the middle of the curve. The false start was not a big surprise.

Why was the woman in the mile DQ'ed? What about Nova in the women's DMR?

Bartlesmeyer lost 3+ seconds on his leg to Oregon

There was only one way to go with what he was given, go out in 1:57 and try to discourage Ches and the field, you cannot let 3 other teams into the race

I am guessing Jordy Williamsz who was not even in the video feed until 300 to go, must have gone out really fast to get near the top. Obviously could not have had much left , but what a game effort running 3:55.46 on that leg out very aggressively.

I still do not know exactly what happened to Nova up fron,t before Jordy's leg they were at least 5 seconds off what could be reasonably expected, even conservatively.

At least three guys went down on the 1200 leg of the men's DMR. The Stanford guy clipped the Virgina Tech guy early and the VT guy went down. Then somebody started another mess a couple of laps later and the Alabama guy went down, taking the Stanford guy with him. It was all caused by Kemboi getting out to the lead and then walking. He wanted to turn the 1200 leg into a 600 and the other 11 guys let him do it. I'm not bagging on Kemboi; that was his best strategy to get the biggest possible lead. It's the 11 other guys (and their coaches) that let him get away with it that were at fault. Kemboi did the same thing at Notre Dame with the same jostling behind him, so the strategy shouldn't have been a surprise.

Does anybody know why the Mississippi State women was DQ'd in the Mile? It seemed like she was running at the front with Houlihan the whole race.

Wrong. OSU leadoff treated the leg like he was the ball in his personal pinball machine. Totally ramming others & causing chaos.