Pro sprinters destroy NFL 40y times

Les wrote:

Yes, you can add reaction time to all the 40 times because the timers react to the runner and not vice versa as in track. Also, there are/have been multiple timing methods. Hand start/hand finish, hand start/auto finish, auto start, auto finish or a combination thereof. So no consistency from combine to combine plus no comparison to track times because of different starting methods. Football players running 40s with track-type starts will be much slower. Vice versa for track sprinters running 40s with combine starts.

I get that you can add reaction time. I was more asking about the laser start/finish. Your description of the lack of consistency was why my friend was consulted. They wanted consistent, FAT times across all combines. Ironically, when they saw what those times really were, the NFL decided against the project (among other reasons).

Actually Nehemiah played three years and got a Superbowl ring though was not a major player in the actual game. had something like 15 yard average per catch but under 1000 yards for the career. Went back to track but did not do well. Was world record holder in the 110 and was ranked number one for four or five years

According to this link they have been using laser timers since 2000.

http://www.statisticbrain.com/fastest-40-yard-dash-times-in-nfl-history/

Star wrote:

According to this link they have been using laser timers since 2000.

http://www.statisticbrain.com/fastest-40-yard-dash-times-in-nfl-history/

This link asserts that they use three types of timing:

Hand-Held

Laser Finish

"FAT" (but still reacting to the runner not a stimulus)

The confusion seems to be about what "time" is official.

I coached HS track and played a little HS football. I remember my coach telling us about fast kids from track thinking they could dominate in football at WR. He said "The great equalizer, is getting hit.."

He was right. Many cases are known of lightening fast guys trying it, and less than 1% have ever stayed. Deon Sanders was a freak.

It looks like they were doing hand start/auto finish at the combine as there does not appear to be any equipment at the starting line.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx_ydythKCE

he has the fastest 40m and 60m times ever recorded. kill yourself.

Here is the correct answer:

Catapillar wrote:

coach d wrote:

Consider that in Bolt's 9.58, he split 4.64 for 40 meters, which puts his 40y split at about 4.35 FAT.

So, with that 4.06 speed, how much did Bailey beat Bolt by?

It's all the fine art of lying. Charlie Francis said that when he timed Ben, he started the stopwatch at the first step and added 0.6 to predict a FAT equivalent. And what Charlie did is basically what the Combine does, except they forget to add that 0.6. When you see those 40y times, just add 0.6 to get an honest time.

If you honestly believe any of those times faster that Bolt's 9.58 split, you get the horse laugh.

4.35 minus 0.146 reaction time, and 0.24 for hand timing,

3.96

Real link to timing issue: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/25073644/scouting-combine-real-time-40s-to-be-used-for-first-time

Les wrote:

It looks like they were doing hand start/auto finish at the combine as there does not appear to be any equipment at the starting line.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx_ydythKCE

You can clearly see the L-shaped unit on the near side of the 'track'.

They use laser start and finish.

You can also clearly see that Winston is slow.

In comparing sprinters to footballers, people forget to take in to account the .12 to .16 second gun reaction times,

Old Runner wrote:

coach d wrote:

If you honestly believe any of those times faster that Bolt's 9.58 split, you get the horse laugh.

Good observation. But I would add that at 40y Bolt isn't blowing the doors off everyone. It's from 40 to 100 that it all slides in his favor.

Untrue.

Everyone think that Bolt has some kind of super slow awkward lanky-guy start, but in fact it is just the least extraterrestrial part of his even more extraterrestrial top speed and speed maintenance.

Watch Bolt's 9.58 and 9.69. It is lights out at barely halfway to 40.

young master wrote:

Old Runner wrote:

Good observation. But I would add that at 40y Bolt isn't blowing the doors off everyone. It's from 40 to 100 that it all slides in his favor.

Untrue.

Everyone think that Bolt has some kind of super slow awkward lanky-guy start, but in fact it is just the least extraterrestrial part of his even more extraterrestrial top speed and speed maintenance.

Watch Bolt's 9.58 and 9.69. It is lights out at barely halfway to 40.

The miracle of modern medicine.

Mundus Vult wrote:

How sure of this are you? The reason I ask is because of friend of mine was brought in to time the combine a few years back as the NFL was considering making a reality TV show out of the combine (the eventually passed on the project). This doesn't comport with what he described (at all). He did say that one of the issues--and why he was consulted--is because there was no standard across the multiple combines.

Mundus

The 40y times at the NFL combine have timed in the same fashion since 2000. It is laser to laser and starts and ends with the runner. That is the official time.

The NFL is measuring pure speed while track and field is measuring how fast a runner can go from a complete stop to the finish line. That includes reaction time.

Testing at players "pro day" types of "combines" can be timed in a variety of different ways which is why 40y times are almost always faster at those events than they were for the same athletes who appeared at the combine.

No it isn't. The 0.24 hand timing factor includes the reaction time. It is also an arbitrary factor.

Gabe Walker wrote:

Here is the correct answer:

Catapillar wrote:

4.35 minus 0.146 reaction time, and 0.24 for hand timing,

3.96

young master wrote:

Everyone think that Bolt has some kind of super slow awkward lanky-guy start

Relative to his top speed he is super slow. But relative to his competition he is ok. At 20m in his WR race he would still be behind Asafa Powell in his 9.84 run, but from then on he would increase the lead all the way to the line.

Any track guys beat the 12-3 standing long jump mark put up this year at the combine?

fwiw wrote:

Clearly a world class sprinter is going to beat a football player in a 40y but as someone else mentioned the really big difference happens from 60-100m where the NFL guys really start crawling and the sprinter slows down relatively little.

I think right around 1990 Ismael "The Rocket" Raghib - widely considered the fastest guy in football - I think he was still at Notre Dame - ran a 100m race at the Penn Relays. He was fairly close to the leaders at 50m but got crushed the second 50.

I think he has a PB of 10.34

He is not considered the fastest guy in football. Jeff Demps ran a 10.01.

Xfit_guy_the_real_1 wrote:

fred wrote:

I remember Ben coming out of York U fieldhouse a year after he got caught, and he lost a lot of muscle.

The jacked was the steroid.

Whatever. Most sprinters use the dope for recovery, if at all.

Are you saying Ben injected the HUGE MUSCLE mass? No. He went to the gym every freakin day. That's how he got huge.

But SCRAWNY runners are not able to accept simple facts. Lol.

you would know