Pro sprinters Ryan Bailey and training partner Joe Morris allegedly run 4.06 and 4.09 40y dashes in practice
Pro sprinters Ryan Bailey and training partner Joe Morris allegedly run 4.06 and 4.09 40y dashes in practice
Early 80s:
Renaldo Nehemiah ruled the 110 hurdles for years and years. Gold medals, records, in the Nehemiah era everyone else raced for 2nd place. Probably an even better 60m hurdler.
Ditches track, tries out for the 49ers but I don't believe entered the draft or the combine (which may not have existed at the time). Shows up at Candlestick or wherever, coach has him run a 40. Stopwatch says 4.1 and coach thinks it's wrong. I'm not saying this was a PR or anything, just his first try, on grass, wearing football shoes or whatever they made him wear. Obviously on a synthetic track, with track shoes and starting blocks and taking it as seriously as a significant race, well under 4.
My dad, bid Niners fan, got all excited and would say: "with a QB like Montana and the fastest guy in the league, WOW" etc. Well I remember a big TD run that made those days equivalent to SportsCenter Top 10 but I think he only played that one year and was never heard from in either sport again!
Consider that in Bolt's 9.58, he split 4.64 for 40 meters, which puts his 40y split at about 4.35 FAT.
So, with that 4.06 speed, how much did Bailey beat Bolt by?
It's all the fine art of lying. Charlie Francis said that when he timed Ben, he started the stopwatch at the first step and added 0.6 to predict a FAT equivalent. And what Charlie did is basically what the Combine does, except they forget to add that 0.6. When you see those 40y times, just add 0.6 to get an honest time.
If you honestly believe any of those times faster that Bolt's 9.58 split, you get the horse laugh.
Ben was the fastest...
coach d wrote:
Consider that in Bolt's 9.58, he split 4.64 for 40 meters, which puts his 40y split at about 4.35 FAT.
So, with that 4.06 speed, how much did Bailey beat Bolt by?
It's all the fine art of lying. Charlie Francis said that when he timed Ben, he started the stopwatch at the first step and added 0.6 to predict a FAT equivalent. And what Charlie did is basically what the Combine does, except they forget to add that 0.6. When you see those 40y times, just add 0.6 to get an honest time.
If you honestly believe any of those times faster that Bolt's 9.58 split, you get the horse laugh.
Good observation. But I would add that at 40y Bolt isn't blowing the doors off everyone. It's from 40 to 100 that it all slides in his favor.
Watch the race. The 9.58 race was over not at 40m, but at 20.
Which of those NFL guys do you think can beat Tyson Gay and Asafa Powell to 30-40? Bolt was ahead of both of them by 20 meters.
The thing that many Americans don't get is that some guys are track athletes and some are football players and some are baseball players.
It is rare to be great in both.
A lot of Americans think that if your'e good in football you'll be good in everything else- especially track.
Bob Hayes was great in both but I would bet that after he started playing football he would no longer have been as good in the 100.
Different sports, different needs.
If you timed Bolt like the football players get timed he'd be faster.
They start the clock when the guy starts, nit when the gun goes off.
Legendary sprinter Jim Hines was nicknamed "ooops".
He did play professional football but always dropped the ball hence the nickname "ooops"
[quote]coach d wrote:
Consider that in Bolt's 9.58, he split 4.64 for 40 meters, which puts his 40y split at about 4.35 FAT.
So, with that 4.06 speed, how much did Bailey beat Bolt by?{[quote]
The 40 yd dash is done with hand timing and the stop watch is started when the athlete first moves. Therefore it is much faster than FAT which starts when the gun goes off. This puts Bolt somewhere around 4.0-4.05 in the 40 yd dash depending on how much human error was involved.
I remember Tim Dwight in a Chargers game running half the length of the field just to put a block on a defensive back so that another receiver could run the length of the field for a touchdown. The zoomed-out, overhead view of the field made it look like everyone else moved in slow motion while Tim Dwight moved in regular motion. He was clearly the hero of the play even though he didn't get credit for the touchdown.
coach d wrote:
Consider that in Bolt's 9.58, he split 4.64 for 40 meters, which puts his 40y split at about 4.35 FAT.
So, with that 4.06 speed, how much did Bailey beat Bolt by?
It's all the fine art of lying. Charlie Francis said that when he timed Ben, he started the stopwatch at the first step and added 0.6 to predict a FAT equivalent. And what Charlie did is basically what the Combine does, except they forget to add that 0.6. When you see those 40y times, just add 0.6 to get an honest time.
If you honestly believe any of those times faster that Bolt's 9.58 split, you get the horse laugh.
4.35 minus 0.146 reaction time, and 0.24 for hand timing,
3.96
Ben Ami wrote:
Ben was the fastest...
Man, I miss him. He was by far the most JACKED dude in the bunch. He destroyed them by a margin only Bolt could rival.
He also had this determined look on his face. Too bad he trusted someone he should not have trusted. He was a beast.
The 40 yd dash is done with hand timing and the stop watch is started when the athlete first moves. Therefore it is much faster than FAT which starts when the gun goes off. This puts Bolt somewhere around 4.0-4.05 in the 40 yd dash depending on how much human error was involved.
The various scouts do hand time the 40 at the combine, but the official time you see is "kind of" FAT. The clock doesn't start until the runner leaves, so you have the reaction time adjustment. But since 1999, the combine has used electronic timing, so you don't need the hand time adjustment.
To get a comparable track FAT time, you need to adjust the NFL combine numbers by the reaction time of .146 (or whatever reaction time you want to use).
I remember Ben coming out of York U fieldhouse a year after he got caught, and he lost a lot of muscle.
The jacked was the steroid.
They are not lying about the times, just using a different timing method.
There is no reaction time for the 40 yard dash as timed by the NFL.
There is a laser at the start and at the finish.
When the runner starts and goes through the first laser, it starts the clock.
When he crosses the second laser 40 yards later, it stops the clock.
It is actually a more accurate method of measuring just speed than what is done in track and field.
And it is more comparable from runner to runner.
But you can't race that way, obviously.
Races need a starter and reaction time is part of the event when you race.
Another method that has been used is manual timing where the timer starts the clock when he sees the runner go.
This will obviously exaggerate times.
fred wrote:
I remember Ben coming out of York U fieldhouse a year after he got caught, and he lost a lot of muscle.
The jacked was the steroid.
Whatever. Most sprinters use the dope for recovery, if at all.
Are you saying Ben injected the HUGE MUSCLE mass? No. He went to the gym every freakin day. That's how he got huge.
But SCRAWNY runners are not able to accept simple facts. Lol.
The only way to push hard at the gym every day is to dope for recovery.
So, yes, doping builds huge muscle mass.
Bailey ran 4.06 through 40 but just week earlier ran a 6.50 FAT in Seattle so that seems about right and same for Morris 4.09 with his 6.53 season best. They both will be in Boston Sunday at US Indoor Nationals. Be fun if NBC put one of those lines like 1st down marker on football games and timed guys using football method to that line (Not FAT or it wouldn't be an apples to apples comparison).
On another note Bailey is certainly bigger at 6'4" and probably 225 or 230 than most of the combine guys who ran even remotely fast times. I recall hearing commentators saying how quick a big guy receiver would run when they would clock a 4.55 or so.
Star wrote:
They are not lying about the times, just using a different timing method.
There is no reaction time for the 40 yard dash as timed by the NFL.
There is a laser at the start and at the finish.
When the runner starts and goes through the first laser, it starts the clock.
When he crosses the second laser 40 yards later, it stops the clock.
Star,
How sure of this are you? The reason I ask is because of friend of mine was brought in to time the combine a few years back as the NFL was considering making a reality TV show out of the combine (the eventually passed on the project). This doesn't comport with what he described (at all). He did say that one of the issues--and why he was consulted--is because there was no standard across the multiple combines.
Mundus
Clearly a world class sprinter is going to beat a football player in a 40y but as someone else mentioned the really big difference happens from 60-100m where the NFL guys really start crawling and the sprinter slows down relatively little.
I think right around 1990 Ismael "The Rocket" Raghib - widely considered the fastest guy in football - I think he was still at Notre Dame - ran a 100m race at the Penn Relays. He was fairly close to the leaders at 50m but got crushed the second 50.