Were We Wrong About Carmelita Jeter?

Wow, didn't know any of that about Block, Thnx. I don't feel so bad for accusing anymore now

That's pretty damning. So then the other alternative could be she is off dope now for whatever reason.

Gotta be an explanation why she is so terrible in just one year. It could be injury, but she was injured in May of '13, won bronze in August of '13.

As for this Block stuff, wow, How in the world are they (her and Richardson) not reprimanded for this?

Loot wrote:Nothing is more moronic than accusing every fast performer of drugs despite no evidence or reasonable suspicion.

I agree that fast times alone is not enough to conclude it must have been drugs.

Were "we" right or wrong? When you have no evidence, you can't really say either way.

Everyone called you an idiot?

everyone is doped wrote:

Every professional athlete who wins is doped. I don't know why you people are so naive. I said it for years about Lance Armstrong but everyone called me an idiot. When there are millions of dollars on the line what do you think poor athletes will do to get ahead? I can't believe people thought Marion Jones, Flo jo, Carl Lewis, etc were clean.

Could be lots of reasons for getting off dope. Maybe she lost her supplier, maybe her doc told her she'd never have a kid if she didn't stop, maybe some other medical issue, maybe she knows she can't beat the test anymore, etc. I'd imagine she's still getting paid for the time being, so it could be that she's just going through the motions until her contract runs out. Or maybe she'll juice up one last time for Rio, who knows.

Drugs,Drugs,Drugs! wrote:

If she wasn't juicing who was juicing. The career timeline screams of getting on the "Clear" or another designer PED. She might have nagging injuries or she just got slow in one season. You see this all the time in the NFL. One season a player is a blazer and the next he is a Ed McCaffery clone.

LOL. McCaffrey wasn't slow. Better do some research rather than assuming. Or are you the typical Hillel House poster or just a brainwashed libtard who never questions anything? LOL

I think she looked quite impressive at indoor considering her injury ....Dont eber discount Jeter Folks ...she always somehow grab a medal at championships .....She is a fierce competitor .....She ran 7.26 at indoor ...which is not an impressive time ...but neither a slow.time .....She might very well peak for championship and win .....and What do you guys have to say about shelly ann and veronica ...they look suspicious aswell

Her big improvements came from fixing her diet, losing weight, and working on her technique. Her technique is now flawless. Her knee lift and drive are amazing. Her technique is far superior to her competition. She has been tested 100s of times. She's suprising small in real life.

People said the same thing about Barry Bonds. Sorry, I don't buy it. If you don't show brilliance by the time you're in college, it's awwwwwwfully hard to become a world beater.

Again, size has NOTHING to do with it. And no her technique is not flawless by any means. But beside the point. Anyone who knows anything about the drug game has known shes a doper since 2007. Sorry, but incremental adjustments dont ever add up for a mediocre 11.4 sprinter at 28 all of a sudden running 10.70's

Loot wrote:

Her season started today and she looked awful. She's done, she will not ever be elite again. Which makes you wonder. If she was/is on some drug that foolproof evaded all testing then it's not likely she would have such a huge fall off (She was bronze medalist in '13 WC)

Were we wrong about her all along? Maybe she was clean after all. If so I owe her an apology. I always pointed out the suspicion

All athletes are on some drugs that evade testing. It is not common in athletics to make a confession, but in cycling many have either elected to confess or have been forced to. They all tell the same story ... "An older pro showed me how to take care of myself, told me it was part of being professional, I did it since day ONE..."

If anybody ever told the whole story in track we would hear more like this. They have too much at stake. I have heard stories of WR holders and AR holders admitting that they took stuff. And one formerly world-class American (from 30-35 years ago) told me they did.

You have to realize how easy it is to use steroids, corticoids, EPO, HGH and avoid detection. I learned how easy it was from listening to the cyclists who did it for 10-15 years.

Think about this: Emma Coburn ran 9:11 for a Steeple AR and they didn't even test her. I am not casting aspersions about her, just that it must be pretty easy FOR ANYBODY to avoid detection if they don't even test you at a meet like that with a mark like that!!

Also, drugs have been going on at the highest levels in track for 100 years. If Hal Connolly admitted being on them 60 years ago for the Hammer (where you make NO MONEY), what do you think the athletes take now when there are so much more effective drugs out there?

Question--honest question--for poster knows as "Anon for a reason";

Who from 30-35 years ago told you they too ped's? What would it hurt to tell us? Please --- seriously!

She'sNice wrote:

Her big improvements came from fixing her diet, losing weight, and working on her technique. Her technique is now flawless. Her knee lift and drive are amazing. Her technique is far superior to her competition. She has been tested 100s of times. She's suprising small in real life.

OOoohhh, she was tested hundreds of times, OK - must be clean then.

She fell off a cliff performance-wise when the bio-passport was implemented. Along with a few other really prominent sprinters. At the same time, the bp netted quite a few who weren't smart enough to lay low like she did.

Its quiet dumb to claim someone is a cheat just by her overall improvements ...Well to be honest all that time drop mostly came out of her near flawless technique ...one of the best i ever saw ...

What to say about Fraser pryce ....Bolt. Its soo stupid to assume somethig like that just because ...she isnt running that fast ....She Had an Freaking injury ...i wonder how she manages to still run 7.26 at indoor ....Dont discount Jet ...she may very well surprise us

Jeter always had untapped potential. I remember seeing her in high school. Salazar simply unleashed it. When she first joined Salazar\\\'s group, she collapsed after doing five push ups. Plus, Salazar worked on her foot acceleration mechanics. It was the focus on the the details that led her to the second fastest time in history and championship medals.

It was not someone that you would get all excited about. It was a male and he was like top-10 (in the US) in the marathon. I cannot say anything more than that. He was never a world-ranker and I can't give his PRs without giving too much away. I WILL say that if you had his top 4-5 times now in 2015 you would have a good shot at making the WC team or the 2016 Olympic team. So, he was not a 2:17-type runner (for those of you who don't realize how good that era was).

I am pretty sure he has been "outed" before, but that is no reason to make things bad for him.

The thing you have to understand is that nearly everyone who was good was doing it. And by "good" I mean if you were running 2:12-2:15 I believe that many of those guys were not doping, but most who were faster than that were. I realize this is very unfair to characterize it this way. But around 1978 I started running and I was age 11 and I remember reading a little interview (in 1981) where the mag asked Frank Shorter and Rod Dixon (and prob others) about doping and they said that 50-65% of the top road runners were on drugs of some kind and that the number increased to 75-85% if you include blood doping as a drug.

Of course, that is their opinion, but drug use was openly discussed in the '70s by the throwers at least. It had to be less of a taboo/secret than it is now back then. But the number probably went up if you were considering just track distance runners. I mean the Eastern Bloc women were obvious about it ... I don't think the men were on any different kind of program. And I don't think the rest of the World (the USA, Australia, Canada, Britain, Germany, etc.) were any different. In the 1960s, the 1970s, the 1980s, and so on ...

BALCO was not the first and only drug scandal in track, it wasn't the last one either.

I realize this is very vague, but my example was just to illuminate that it has gone on for a long time, it has gone on in minor and major events, and it has gone on in the USA. It was not an example given to ruin someone's life or career.

Now, and for the last 25 years, you could take EPO and it would/will give you a huge advantage. How much? I am not qualified to say, but one of the best examples I have seen is Cathal Lombard, and since then there have been several dozen high-level runners get busted for it.

So we know it works or they would not bother with it.

In sprinting, there are several drugs that make a huge impact. You would be daft if you think they aren't taking advantage of them. Jeter, and everyone before her and after her.

benjastar123 wrote:

Its quiet dumb to claim someone is a cheat just by her overall improvements ...Well to be honest all that time drop mostly came out of her near flawless technique ...one of the best i ever saw ...

What to say about Fraser pryce ....Bolt. Its soo stupid to assume somethig like that just because ...she isnt running that fast ....She Had an Freaking injury ...i wonder how she manages to still run 7.26 at indoor ....Dont discount Jet ...she may very well surprise us

This is great. Okay, she had "an freaking injury" all the way until she turned thirty and learned how to run at the same time that everything healed.

I hope you're right, I hope she keeps competing. Either she can suffer mediocrity and run clean, or (please God) finally get caught.

Regarding the still unrevealed marathoner from 30-35 years ago - fair enough - I can respect your desire not to out the runner, but on the other hand, it does seem like this type of attitude that contributes to the problem. Not that revealing a 2:12 guy from the mid 80s would solve anything I suppose.

And some of us youngsters are enough of a student of the sport to know how good that era was. The number of American guys who broke 2:20 at Boston and NYC that year is mind boggling. I have looked at the results and wondered--was it drugs, or are 75% of those dudes just doing other endurance sports today?

... that year being 1983.

what does make her a more cheater then Vcb Okagbare Shelly Felix Sanya ....just because she had a huge dropped her time ...Or just because she has manly arms and legs ...?? there are many athletes who just got that type of time drop ....Felix went from 23.05 to 22.11 in just one year .....Fraser went from 11.30 to 10.81 in one year....I think your somehow obsessed with Jeter ....Look how dafne schipper went all of a sudden into 22 flat ...Does that make them a cheat....and to be honest Most athletes who makes it to the Olympic are someway or another on something ....