LetsRun.com wrote:
most just assumed it was an accident
Some of us suspected foul play as soon as the police gave the lame initial report that it was a suicide.
For the historical reference:
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=4046022&page=1On 5/15/2011, webby wrote:
Jumping from a first floor balcony is definitely not a suicide attempt. I would guess it's almost never fatal, either. I'm guessing he got those injuries before the fall.
Whatever happened, it's very sad.
J.R. wrote:
Based on the pathologist report and previous findings, I am convinced that Wanjiru was murdered. It doesn't make sense that he would have jumped or fallen from the balcony. That many of his injuries are inconsistent with a fall, demonstrates that he was most likely murdered.
But nobody doubts he fell from the balcony. This finding necessitates that he did. Just that he didn't die from the fall.
Astute followers of the case will remember that the same pathologist (at that time the Chief Government Pathologist) questioned the police's version of events as early as June 2011"
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The Kenyan Police bungled everything (perhaps not without motive) from the very beginning. No one has explained the CCTV footage as far as I know, only ignored it. The case got extremely cold.
So why is Moses Njue coming forward again? Having lost his government post, does he seek a return to notoriety? Or is this "inquest" really coming almost four years after Wanjiru's death?!
Please Kenyans, shed some light here.
I really think those of you on this thread who don't understand how Wanjiru fell, landed on his hands and knees, and could NOT have sustained the head trauma found in his autopsy probably fell 14 feet and landed on your heads.
Read the article before you spout stupid conflicts of fact.
J.R. wrote:
Based on the pathologist report and previous findings, I am convinced that Wanjiru was murdered. It doesn't make sense that he would have jumped or fallen from the balcony. That many of his injuries are inconsistent with a fall, demonstrates that he was most likely murdered.
fadsfasfdsf wrote:
But nobody doubts he fell from the balcony. This finding necessitates that he did. Just that he didn't die from the fall.
Based on the pathology findings, Wanjiru was either forced from the balcony and killed on the ground, or perhaps the balcony played no part in the murder. I doubt that he fell from the balcony due his own actions or volition.
What the pathologist is saying is exactly what he said then! At the time, he had stated that there were injuries to the palm of his hands and his knees, which indicates that when Wanjiru fell, he landed on the four. The problem is that there was another injury at the back of his head, which from his assessment then, was caused by a blunt object at high velocity. According to his scientific assessment, this is the injury that killed him. So if he fell on fours, the only way that the back injury could have been as a result of the fall is if he bounced back up 14 feet then fall back to the ground, this time with the head facing down(horizontal fall). That is practically not possible! The two injuries(to the limbs and to the head) were caused separately. The pathologist is therefore consistent and if his findings are true then it points to murder. As to who murdered him, the police are the ones supposed to solve that part of the riddle. Apart from Sammy Wanjiru's wife, the police were the other suspects. That explains why we might never find out the truth. I believe the CCTV recordings were handed over to detectives(police) and if it implicates one or more of them, that vital piece of evidence is a foregone case.
Wanjiri Spirit Guide wrote:
Astute followers of the case will remember that the same pathologist (at that time the Chief Government Pathologist) questioned the police's version of events as early as June 2011"
http://www.nation.co.ke/sports/athletics/Doctors+puzzled+by+new+facts+in+Wanjiru+death++/-/1100/1173404/-/v4q5xsz/-/index.html.
The Kenyan Police bungled everything (perhaps not without motive) from the very beginning. No one has explained the CCTV footage as far as I know, only ignored it. The case got extremely cold.
So why is Moses Njue coming forward again? Having lost his government post, does he seek a return to notoriety? Or is this "inquest" really coming almost four years after Wanjiru's death?!
Please Kenyans, shed some light here.
doesn't make sense wrote:
Considering that in America people all the time die when they fall 6 feet and hit a curb after being knocked out in a bar fight, I'm not sure why some guy in Kenya says jumping off a 14-foot balcony head first couldn't kill someone.
Perhaps he's being paid off by Wanjiru's mother who wants to be proved murder? In all trials, you can find some quack to say anything or is this guy supposed to impartial?
Any scientists or experts on Kenyan Trials on here? How could any one think that it's not possible to be killed from landing headfirst when jumping off of a second story?
Are you illiterate?
He had bruises consistent with a fall which we found on his knees and hands but the impact of a rebound fall backwards would not be enough to cause the extent of injuries we observed on his skull.
The deceased actually landed on his four limbs, cat-style, and the fatal head injury was inflicted independently” the doctor explained....The doctor said the impact of the blunt strike against the skull would have caused instantaneous immobility meaning Mr Wanjiru’s assailants accosted him outside immediately after he fell or jumped from the balcony.
“The cause of death can be said to be a massive blunt object force injury to the back of the head with resultant skull fracture, attendant haemorrhage...there was also significantly raised intracranial pressure and brain contusion,” the doctor said.... He said that based on his post-mortem examination it can be inferred that “ the maximum height associated with deaths even in intoxication is 30 feet or more and generally when it is three times that of an individual.”
“In Wanjiru's case it had to be at least 16 feet,” Dr Njue said, adding that he may have come down while holding onto the metal grills on the balcony but could not have touched the ground on his four limbs and then jump backwards.
“He was a soldier and an astute athlete and very agile...he actually landed on his four limbs cat-style and the fatal head injury was inflicted independently,” he said.
Not since Colonel Mustard killed Mr Boddy in the billiard room with a candlestick has this mystery been so easy to solve.
fadsfasfdsf wrote:
J.R. wrote:Based on the pathologist report and previous findings, I am convinced that Wanjiru was murdered. It doesn't make sense that he would have jumped or fallen from the balcony. That many of his injuries are inconsistent with a fall, demonstrates that he was most likely murdered.
But nobody doubts he fell from the balcony. This finding necessitates that he did. Just that he didn't die from the fall.
What difference at this point does it make?!?
"What the pathologist is saying is exactly what he said then! At the time, he had stated that there were injuries to the palm of his hands and his knees, which indicates that when Wanjiru fell, he landed on the four. The problem is that there was another injury at the back of his head, which from his assessment then, was caused by a blunt object at high velocity. According to his scientific assessment, this is the injury that killed him. So if he fell on fours, the only way that the back injury could have been as a result of the fall is if he bounced back up 14 feet then fall back to the ground, this time with the head facing down(horizontal fall). That is practically not possible! The two injuries(to the limbs and to the head) were caused separately. The pathologist is therefore consistent and if his findings are true then it points to murder. As to who murdered him, the police are the ones supposed to solve that part of the riddle. Apart from Sammy Wanjiru's wife, the police were the other suspects. That explains why we might never find out the truth. I believe the CCTV recordings were handed over to detectives(police) and if it implicates one or more of them, that vital piece of evidence is a foregone case."
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Anyone with basic common sense could see that if the evidence was correct (if...) about the injuries sustained both to the back of the head and to the front of the palms, knees, etc... That it was simply logically incoherent to construct a fall scenario from that balcony to the driveway pavement and have those injuries manifested as they supposedly were. I'm afraid though at this point, you're dealing with lies within lies and a criminal justice system there that is essentially not up to speed with modern investigative and forensic standards.
The IOC should have become involved and sponsored a thorough investigation of the matter. Sammy's journey to the podium in Beijing was simply amazing and should be respected for the incredible human achievement that it was.
The amounts of money flippantly exchanging hands and possibly being extorted from him as well, was widely known. It's time for more influential voices to speak out against this horrific crime and potentially punish other athletes and agents with "bands" from certain events until a clear determination as to the cause of his death is established and those responsible are put behind bars. Putting internal pressure on them to "get their finger out" on this matter, will help to bring it to fruition.
About Time! wrote:
I'm afraid though at this point, you're dealing with lies within lies and a criminal justice system there that is essentially not up to speed with modern investigative and forensic standards.
The Kenyan police are in the process of building a $60 million state of the art forensics lab, so they'll be there soon.
[quote]doesn't make sense wrote:
Considering that in America people all the time die when they fall 6 feet and hit a curb after being knocked out in a bar fight, I'm not sure why some guy in Kenya says jumping off a 14-foot balcony head first couldn't kill someone.'
Exactly complete nonsense
From day one there were discussions here that his injuries were inconsistent with that kind of a fall and there was foul play involved.
About Time! wrote:
Anyone with basic common sense could see that if the evidence was correct (if...) about the injuries sustained both to the back of the head and to the front of the palms, knees, etc... That it was simply logically incoherent to construct a fall scenario from that balcony to the driveway pavement and have those injuries manifested as they supposedly were.
What if he somehow banged his head on the ledge of the balcony on the way down?
falling... wrote:
What if he somehow banged his head on the ledge of the balcony on the way down?
Then he would have a bump on his head. Instead, he had a cracked skull.
What if they misidentified the body and Sammy is sipping Mai Tais in Belize?
why could he not have fallen on his head then rolled forward/backward onto his hands and knees?
Pretty easy to scrape your hands and knees attempting to climb over a balcony and lower yourself to the ground.
I'm guessing "scrapes" are a bad translation for bruising or other impact damage while landing. I can't picture falling face-down from a significant height and scraping up my hands and knees.
Wifey hit him on the head with a frying pan while he's trying to escape off the balcony?
You are right about the lies part but as for the speed and investigative/forensic facilities, that is not the reason why nothing is forthcoming in this case. The police who handled this case knows who the culprit(s) is/are but for reasons we can all guess, they chose to withhold this from the general public. When the CCTV recordings were first analyzed, it was said that another car apart from that used by Wanjiru's wife entered through the gate to the compound and that some people got out. They also mentioned one of the cameras wasn't working that particular night. That was as far as we heard of the CCTV. They did not proceed to say who were in the other car and what their mission was in Wanjiru's homestead at night. There was a mention sometime back that when Wanjiru had threatened his wife and guard with a gun, the police came to arrest him and while looking for the gun, they found a safe which Wanjiru kept in his house. It was said that they asked him to open but he refused to do it. They confiscated and took it to the Station. The lame excuse was that the gun could have been in that safe. The safe is said to have contained several millions of Kenya shillings. And Wanjiru wanted it returned immediately. Could it be that the corrupt police decided to kill him since that was the only way they could get the key to the treasure safe? I guess we will never know.And IOC could not have succeeded either in unravelling this mystery. Reason being that they would have to rely on the very same corrupt police who apparently seem to have a vested interest in this case.
About Time! wrote:
I'm afraid though at this point, you're dealing with lies within lies and a criminal justice system there that is essentially not up to speed with modern investigative and forensic standards.
The IOC should have become involved and sponsored a thorough investigation of the matter. Sammy's journey to the podium in Beijing was simply amazing and should be respected for the incredible human achievement that it was.
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