Armory Invite Live Official Thread

Just a friendly reminder that Cam was a 4:17 miler in high school and Rupp was a professionally trained superstar. He's come a long ways. Great day for him but I'm sure he'll want to beat Rupp on a good day still.

jff wrote:

Jonathan Gault wrote:

Galen Rupp has been a better runner than Cam Levins for his whole career. Levins had a very good 2014 and is clearly in great shape, but Rupp is always in shape indoors. A tired Levins shouldn't be beating a fresh Rupp.

Sure in a 10k. But this was 2-miles. Cam has always had good speed.

Rupp is the fifth-fastest indoor miler of all time.

ckkc wrote:

sp2 wrote:

That's funny, cuz just yesterday, in a video interview, he said he thinks of himself as more of a 10K guy.

And his 10K PR is clearly his best mark, even though it's almost 3 years old.

But I'm sure you, and the other LR geniuses, know better than he does.

His 10k PR isn't "clearly" his best mark. Maybe "arguably". The IAAF tables have his 10k and 1500m times as almost equal. He has always had a good kick so that's what make me think he is more of a 1500/10000 guy.

So yes, me and maybe the other LR geniuses know better than he and you.

No, actually, here in the real world, the IAAF tables have his 10K significantly better than his 1500. (1182 to 1149.) And significantly better than any of his other marks.

But why don't you write a letter to Cam and AlSal, explaining that you know much more about running, and about Cam, than either of them do, and informing them that you've determined that their guy is really a miler.

I'm sure they'd greatly appreciate your help.

Bye now.

Whether fresh or tired, Levins ran his second mile in 4:01/4:02.

Jonathan Gault wrote:

Rupp is the fifth-fastest indoor miler of all time.

A title isn't a time. Also, this wasn't a time trial. Also, the indoor mile is a weak obscure event (Is Rupp also the 5th fastest outdoor miler of all time?)

So what does your statement have to do with what we are talking about?

reed wrote:

8:15 for cam (his indoor pr is 8:14)

8:17 for rupp in 4th

suguru osako, a NOP japanese dude, got 2nd in 8:16

blankenship 3rd 8:16

Didn't Suguru run 4:10 at the Washington Preview 2 weeks ago? Wow, this was a big race for him!!

sp2 wrote:

No, actually, here in the real world, the IAAF tables have his 10K significantly better than his 1500. (1182 to 1149.) And significantly better than any of his other marks.

But why don't you write a letter to Cam and AlSal, explaining that you know much more about running, and about Cam, than either of them do, and informing them that you've determined that their guy is really a miler.

I'm sure they'd greatly appreciate your help.

Bye now.

I don't understand why you have to do so insulting. I never insulted you.

40 points on the IAAF table not significantly better. The numbers are in the THOUSANDS. So in the real world, those performances ARE almost equal. But you didn't even know about the IAAF tables until I mentioned them. So your initial post is still wrong. You were basing your statements on nothing.

You also have poor reading comprehension. I didn't say he was really a miler. I said he was a 1500/5000 guy. I also never said I knew more about running than all of them.

Why would I write a letter to them? Why are you saying bye?

T-wins wrote:

jff wrote:

Why does something have to be wrong with Rupp? Maybe Cam is just in better shape.

Something wrong = out of shape.

Kids

Past-midnight feedings

Diapers

Late night crying

etc.

I doubt the wife and kids are co-sleeping in the altitude tent. And if he gave up the tent I would be shocked (but also impressed).

jff wrote:

Jonathan Gault wrote:

Rupp is the fifth-fastest indoor miler of all time.

A title isn't a time. Also, this wasn't a time trial. Also, the indoor mile is a weak obscure event (Is Rupp also the 5th fastest outdoor miler of all time?)

So what does your statement have to do with what we are talking about?

Your statement was that Cam has always had good speed. I thought that you could infer from my statement that Rupp has superior speed. Apparently not.

So let me lay it out for you: Rupp has run a very fast indoor mile (3:50.92). His outdoor 1500 pb (3:34.15) is much faster than Levins' (3:36.88). He has also proven in Olympic and World Championship finals that he has better closing speed than Rupp.

Based on everything we knew until today, you'd expect Rupp to beat Levins over the final lap or two.

Jonathan Gault wrote:

He has also proven in Olympic and World Championship finals that he has better closing speed than Rupp.

Obviously I meant better closing speed than Levins.

seriously osako has been in pictures training with the NOP guys for over a year, finally a race (and a great result!).

reed wrote:

8:15 for cam (his indoor pr is 8:14)

8:17 for rupp in 4th

suguru osako, a NOP japanese dude, got 2nd in 8:16

blankenship 3rd 8:16

nerp wrote:

I doubt the wife and kids are co-sleeping in the altitude tent. And if he gave up the tent I would be shocked (but also impressed).

Altitude tents are cones-of-silence.

*ARE NOT

Anyone have splits for the dmr?

Jonathan Gault wrote:

Your statement was that Cam has always had good speed. I thought that you could infer from my statement that Rupp has superior speed. Apparently not.

So let me lay it out for you: Rupp has run a very fast indoor mile (3:50.92). His outdoor 1500 pb (3:34.15) is much faster than Levins' (3:36.88). He has also proven in Olympic and World Championship finals that he has better closing speed than Rupp.

Based on everything we knew until today, you'd expect Rupp to beat Levins over the final lap or two.

A mile time is not necessarily an indicator of speed. Bekele is better at the mile than either of them and he doesn't have any speed. It is possible to run a great mile time off of great endurance.

Once again, I will tell you that this was a 2-mile not a 10k. Rupp's world and Olympic closings were not in a 2-mile. If he demonstrated better closing in those races and Can was also in those races, don't you think its possible that that closing speed came from Rupp's greater endurance not speed? In other words, why does Bekele always close faster than Lagat even though Lagat has better speed?

Seeing Cam's kick over the years, I'd bet he is faster over 100-200 than Rupp. 100-200 is speed. A mile is not.

In a race this slow, it becomes a kicker's advantage. That is Cam.

TheStallion wrote:

Anyone have splits for the dmr?

Splits here

Matthew Centrowitz (2:49.47), Mike Berry (46.40), Erik Sowinski (1:47.60) and Pat Casey (3:56.48)

Jon-

Don't waste your energy. As I discover again and again, trying to debate with the average LR denizen is like arguing with a cinderblock.

Just post your analysis (which is usually excellent), and if they're too stupid to understand difficult, complex concepts like the fact that this was a *terrible* race for Rupp, just move on.

Thanks.

Coach P wrote:

I hope there will be a recording for the race out later, anyone think so?

I've got it Dvr'd. I can just record and email to you if it comes to that. I'd think they'll post it by tonight. Cam looks unreal. Everything was easy for him today.

Anyone remember when Rupp got dusted in a 5k a week or 2 before his 10k AR? He has had some not so impressive rust busters in the past and has always quickly found his form.