The PSU DMR record attempt: What a race!

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  • PSU Invite
    5 years ago 01/30/2015 6:43pm CST
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    Thoughts?

    I thought it was great to see everyone from their teams (especially in the 1200, 400 and 800 legs) really lay it all out on the line and just run as fast as they possibly could.

    Biggest surprise for me was not Georgetown winning, but how underwhelming Ashland's performance was. I at least expected Windle to be right there with the top 3 1200 guys. The rest of their team was basically in no man's land the whole race, but I'm still pretty surprised

    Editor's note: Results from DMR Here:
    The DMR at Penn State
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    Facility: F 9:26.59 2014 Penn State, Penn State
    B Kidder, B Bennett-Green, Z Watkins, R Creese
    Meet: M 9:26.59 2014 Penn State
    B Kidder, B Bennett-Green, Z Watkins, R Creese
    PSU: P 9:26.59 2014
    B Kidder, B Bennett-Green, Z Watkins, R Creese
    School Finals
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    1 Georgetown 9:28.22
    1) Williams, Cole JR 2) White, Joseph FR
    3) Manahan, Ryan SO 4) Bartelsmeyer, Amos SO
    2 Penn State 9:28.36
    1) Kidder, Brannon JR 2) Rhodes, Robert JR
    3) Watkins, Za'Von JR 4) Creese, Robby SR
    3 Villanova 9:31.36
    1) Williamsz, Jordan JR 2) Urschel, Donald JR
    3) Slade, Elliot FR 4) Solis, Dusty SR
    4 Bucknell 9:46.39
    1) Westwood, John JR 2) Tapper, Kevin SR
    3) Jagelsky, Alex SR 4) Garcia-Garrison, Andrew SR
    5 Ashland 9:59.49
    1) Windle, Drew SR 2) Owens, Elijha SR
    3) Davis, Joshua SR 4) Hall, Nick JR
    6 Syracuse 10:01.63
    1) Hubbard, Joel JR 2) Miller, Kashif FR
    3) Lovell, Paul SO 4) Hornberger, TJ FR
    -- Georgetown 'B' DNF
    1) Zingsheim, Zach SO 2) Sheryak, Connor FR
    3) Ogle, Andrew JR 4) Gregor, Austin JR
    -- Penn State 'B' DNF
    1) Makins, Jordan FR 2) Smith, Xavier FR
    3) Logue, Joey FR 4) Endress, Wade JR

    *Full meet results here
    Interview with winners via Flotrack here
  • Don B.
    5 years ago 01/30/2015 7:00pm CST
    re: PSU Invite
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    Great win for the Hoyas! I guess I expected them to be in the race with six guys 1:50 or better so far this indoor season. And they didn't run Billy Ledder, who has the best Hoya time this year.
  • PennIsland
    5 years ago 01/30/2015 8:53pm CST
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    Not sure why you were surprised with Ashland laying an egg. They didn't have their anchor from last year on the team and Windle is the only one with Pr's anywhere near the other guys from the top schools in the race . 1:53 & 3:50 guys get exposed by 3:36/1:46/2:17 guys. If you could have windle run every leg, sure...they'd be a sub 9:40 team...but loading your team with throwers is typically ineffective in other areas.

    Didn't see the race, but glad to see Penn's anchor back on top of things, had a shaky year last year but looks to be on the mend
  • PSU Invite
    5 years ago 01/30/2015 9:38pm CST
    re: PennIsland
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    Good point about the 1:53/3:50 guys getting exposed; I guess it is easy to get a distorted view of even great DII schools accomplishments. I knew Baum was gone, but I honestly believed that Hall would step in and be just as good a miler and they wouldn't really miss him much (in case you didn't know he did run a sub-24 8k this year in xc). Apparently he's sort of dinged up right now and did not look good on his leg.

    I still stand by my surprise of Windle kind of dropping an egg I expected more. Started off way in the back of the pack and didn't really start moving up until 600 to go. You could tell the coach wanted more too because he was going pretty crazy during the 1200 and the first lap of the 400 then disappeared from the group of coaches yelling at their athletes down the backstretch.

    Yeah Creese looked good; defiantly getting back into the kind of shape we know he can be in. Probably would have won if he didn't have to start out with a much faster 400 than the GTown and Nova anchors since PSU's 800 legs went out in ~51-52 then fell back hard the last 100 and their exchange was sloppy
  • idiota
    5 years ago 01/30/2015 9:42pm CST
    re: PSU Invite
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    Sorry to sound stupid but what race are you talking about?
  • inco
    5 years ago 01/30/2015 9:56pm CST
    re: idiota
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    The DMR at Penn State
    ================================================================
    Facility: F 9:26.59 2014 Penn State, Penn State
    B Kidder, B Bennett-Green, Z Watkins, R Creese
    Meet: M 9:26.59 2014 Penn State
    B Kidder, B Bennett-Green, Z Watkins, R Creese
    PSU: P 9:26.59 2014
    B Kidder, B Bennett-Green, Z Watkins, R Creese
    School Finals
    ================================================================
    1 Georgetown 9:28.22
    1) Williams, Cole JR 2) White, Joseph FR
    3) Manahan, Ryan SO 4) Bartelsmeyer, Amos SO
    2 Penn State 9:28.36
    1) Kidder, Brannon JR 2) Rhodes, Robert JR
    3) Watkins, Za'Von JR 4) Creese, Robby SR
    3 Villanova 9:31.36
    1) Williamsz, Jordan JR 2) Urschel, Donald JR
    3) Slade, Elliot FR 4) Solis, Dusty SR
    4 Bucknell 9:46.39
    1) Westwood, John JR 2) Tapper, Kevin SR
    3) Jagelsky, Alex SR 4) Garcia-Garrison, Andrew SR
    5 Ashland 9:59.49
    1) Windle, Drew SR 2) Owens, Elijha SR
    3) Davis, Joshua SR 4) Hall, Nick JR
    6 Syracuse 10:01.63
    1) Hubbard, Joel JR 2) Miller, Kashif FR
    3) Lovell, Paul SO 4) Hornberger, TJ FR
    -- Georgetown 'B' DNF
    1) Zingsheim, Zach SO 2) Sheryak, Connor FR
    3) Ogle, Andrew JR 4) Gregor, Austin JR
    -- Penn State 'B' DNF
    1) Makins, Jordan FR 2) Smith, Xavier FR
    3) Logue, Joey FR 4) Endress, Wade JR
  • PSU invite
    5 years ago 01/30/2015 10:00pm CST
    re: idiota
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    at the PSU National meet tonight they ran a stacked DMR and the top teams were clearly making an attempt on the Record of 9:25.97. here are the results http://www.gopsusports.com/livestats/c-track/penn-state-national-15/150130F052.htm
  • Dewey_Runner
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    5 years ago 01/30/2015 10:26pm CST
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    G-Town did it with such a young team too, wow. Nice to see the DMR title at nationals so up for grabs with teams like these coming out of the woodwork + the heavyweights like Stanford and Oregon.

    I'm really curious to see what Oregon's full DMR squad will be at NCAA's, I'm not sure the team that ran 9:32 in Kentucky last weekend (two weekends ago?) is there "A" squad. That being said, after looking up the PB's of the guys on the squad it seems like really the only improvement would come from replacing Gregorek with Prakel on the 1200 leg.

    IMO the team that wins the DMR this year will be a school where none of the guys are running individual events like how Stanford did last year, and it definitely seems like Georgetown could fall under that category at the moment. Stanford this year it seems though will probably have a couple of guys competing individually with Solomon and McGorty so I'm not sure I like their chances.
  • malmo
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    5 years ago 01/30/2015 10:29pm CST
    re: inco
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    Georgetown is a classy bunch -- running with their feet, not their months. No wonder they've been the top middle distance program in the East for nearly four decades. A well-deserved win.
  • Oregon..
    5 years ago 01/30/2015 11:00pm CST
    re: Dewey_Runner
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    Oregon ran 2:54, 48, 1:48 and 4:02 at Ky when they ran 9:32. They have improvement coming on the 400 and mile legs. Cheserek jogged a 4:02 when they ran 9:32. He ran a 3:36 last year as a frosh. That's a 3:53/3:54 conversion. So that's major time right there. Oregon is around 9:25 with a 47(realistic) leg and The King at 3:56 (also realistic).
    Should be good for the win.
  • What?!?
    5 years ago 01/30/2015 11:17pm CST
    re: Dewey_Runner
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    Dewey_ Runner wrote:
    I'm really curious to see what Oregon's full DMR squad will be at NCAA's, I'm not sure the team that ran 9:32 in Kentucky last weekend (two weekends ago?) is there "A" squad. That being said, after looking up the PB's of the guys on the squad it seems like really the only improvement would come from replacing Gregorek with Prakel on the 1200 leg.

    What?!?
    Prakel ran 4:10 last week in Ky. Gregorek ran 2:54 on the DMR and a 7:54 3000 the next day. You must be joking about the only improvement Oregon has is replacing Gregorek with Prakel. Gregorek is solid. He's in sub 4 shape right now as evidenced by his 3000. Improvement will come tho. Read the last post. By "Oregon". That hit the nail on the head.[
  • Ohio guy
    5 years ago 01/31/2015 8:27am CST
    re: PSU Invite
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    Does anyone close to the PSU program know if they have considered flipping Kidder and Creese? Both are exceptional but it seems Kidder has a little more basic finishing speed that might be advantageous against the best. I'm sure their coach knows far better than I do. I was just wondering if it is something to be considered for nationals, Penn, etc.
  • Dewey_Runner
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    5 years ago 01/31/2015 8:59am CST
    re: What?!?
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    What?!? wrote:

    Dewey_ Runner wrote:
    I'm really curious to see what Oregon's full DMR squad will be at NCAA's, I'm not sure the team that ran 9:32 in Kentucky last weekend (two weekends ago?) is there "A" squad. That being said, after looking up the PB's of the guys on the squad it seems like really the only improvement would come from replacing Gregorek with Prakel on the 1200 leg.

    What?!?
    Prakel ran 4:10 last week in Ky. Gregorek ran 2:54 on the DMR and a 7:54 3000 the next day. You must be joking about the only improvement Oregon has is replacing Gregorek with Prakel. Gregorek is solid. He's in sub 4 shape right now as evidenced by his 3000. Improvement will come tho. Read the last post. By "Oregon". That hit the nail on the head.[

    Yeah but Prakel also rand 3:41 outdoors last year and made the NCAA final, if he can get into shape he'd be a better option than Gregorek. Who knows what the deal was with that 4:10 anyways, could have fallen, been injured, sick etc.
  • Wealthburg
    5 years ago 01/31/2015 9:39am CST
    re: Dewey_Runner
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    Dewey_Runner wrote:

    What?!? wrote:

    Gregorek ready for the quantum leap. Less academic stress than Columbia and didnt have to run cross last fall. Very strong and healthy right now. Keep an eye on him.


    Dewey_ Runner wrote:
    I'm really curious to see what Oregon's full DMR squad will be at NCAA's, I'm not sure the team that ran 9:32 in Kentucky last weekend (two weekends ago?) is there "A" squad. That being said, after looking up the PB's of the guys on the squad it seems like really the only improvement would come from replacing Gregorek with Prakel on the 1200 leg.

    What?!?
    Prakel ran 4:10 last week in Ky. Gregorek ran 2:54 on the DMR and a 7:54 3000 the next day. You must be joking about the only improvement Oregon has is replacing Gregorek with Prakel. Gregorek is solid. He's in sub 4 shape right now as evidenced by his 3000. Improvement will come tho. Read the last post. By "Oregon". That hit the nail on the head.[

    Yeah but Prakel also rand 3:41 outdoors last year and made the NCAA final, if he can get into shape he'd be a better option than Gregorek. Who knows what the deal was with that 4:10 anyways, could have fallen, been injured, sick etc.
  • Wealthburg
    5 years ago 01/31/2015 9:41am CST
    re: Dewey_Runner
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    Dewey_Runner wrote:

    What?!? wrote:

    Gregorek ready for the quantum leap. Less academic stress than Columbia and didnt have to run cross last fall. Very strong and healthy right now. Keep an eye on him.


    Dewey_ Runner wrote:
    I'm really curious to see what Oregon's full DMR squad will be at NCAA's, I'm not sure the team that ran 9:32 in Kentucky last weekend (two weekends ago?) is there "A" squad. That being said, after looking up the PB's of the guys on the squad it seems like really the only improvement would come from replacing Gregorek with Prakel on the 1200 leg.

    What?!?
    Prakel ran 4:10 last week in Ky. Gregorek ran 2:54 on the DMR and a 7:54 3000 the next day. You must be joking about the only improvement Oregon has is replacing Gregorek with Prakel. Gregorek is solid. He's in sub 4 shape right now as evidenced by his 3000. Improvement will come tho. Read the last post. By "Oregon". That hit the nail on the head.[

    Yeah but Prakel also rand 3:41 outdoors last year and made the NCAA final, if he can get into shape he'd be a better option than Gregorek. Who knows what the deal was with that 4:10 anyways, could have fallen, been injured, sick etc.
  • Hmmmmnnmnnnnn
    5 years ago 01/31/2015 11:01am CST
    re: Wealthburg
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    Billy Ledder was their top 800 guy so far this season, wonder why Georgetown didn't run him.
  • Trialswatcher
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    5 years ago 01/31/2015 12:46pm CST
    re: Hmmmmnnmnnnnn
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    No need obviously


    Maybe give him a rested full shot at getting sure 800 q'er today?

    Have not looked at 800 entries yet
  • excattyguy
    5 years ago 01/31/2015 12:55pm CST
    re: trialswatcher
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    The interesting things about the race are who didn't run for Nova and their anchor running the leadoff leg.

    There is a much faster lineup they were going to use but didn't.
  • Trialswatcher
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    5 years ago 01/31/2015 1:05pm CST
    re: excattyguy
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    Not really a much faster line up of guys ,different order though they might pick up 4-5 secs though. Swap Solis and Williamsz

    Newcomer frosh Slade split 149 and will most likely be that guy

    Solis split 251 last year

    Muhammad on 400 pick up 1.2
  • saywhut
    5 years ago 01/31/2015 1:09pm CST
    re: malmo
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    malmo wrote:

    Georgetown is a classy bunch -- running with their feet, not their months. No wonder they've been the top middle distance program in the East for nearly four decades. A well-deserved win.

    Name a program that runs with its month, or mouth, which ever suits you? Only one Hoya runner since 1997 has added his name to their Top 10 list at 800 and only two in the 1500. Three guys in the last 18 years.

    The last men's Penn Relays win was the 4x800 in 2004. Top middle distance program in the East? In DC, maybe.