I think a talent like this should go after the 2 mile record and try to best it. I think he is definitely fast enough to do it. Does he even have the desire to try?
I think a talent like this should go after the 2 mile record and try to best it. I think he is definitely fast enough to do it. Does he even have the desire to try?
I don't think he will (or could) get it, but I think he'll be capable of running in the mid 8:30s for 2 miles and sub 4 for the mile. 8:29 is an incredible time, almost as good as 3:53. Looks like its equivalent to 3:55-3:56 according to some conversion tables.
I hope so. I think Grant Fisher's coach was unwise when he made the comments:
“For me, Grant Fisher is a sub-4:00 miler. I am 100% certain...However, whether or not he does that is a completely different story. And, you know, right now I don’t have any motivation to set up a race to watch him run under four. None.”
That is ridiculous. First of all, it is MUCH better for Grant's future if he runs sub 4 or sets a national record. He would make history and could probably turn pro right away if he achieved that, which would do better for him financially and for his chances of making a US world championship team.
Secondly, what is the point of having records if nobody wants to chase them? Watching people chase after fast times is one of the things that made me fall in love with track. I'm still amazed at watching Komen's 3000m and 2 mile races by how fast he was going and how he put in so much hard running all by himself. It is exciting when people go and chase after times. Unfortunately, professionals and college runners rarely front run to chase after fast times. It's gotten to the point where high school runners are more fun to watch at national championships than college runners because at least in high school people still have the drive to chase a time even if they blow up. It would be a shame if high school races also turned into a sit and kick affair.
seconded.
I can't fathom that attitude. It's like reading a novel and saying, "I just want to make sure I interpret all the facts, and I pay no mind to how those might inspire me or stimulate my imagination as far as it can go."
it's like Mo, this coach and others want to do the minimum to finish work as opposed to seeing running like living your dreams
Annie Thor's Daughter wrote:
I think a talent like this should go after the 2 mile record and try to best it. I think he is definitely fast enough to do it. Does he even have the desire to try?
From all that I have read and heard about Grant and his training is long term development. He most likely isn't doing the volume of work necessary to run a two mile that fast. As well it is difficult for high school runners to get themselves into a race of that kind of caliber where they might be dragged along (if everything lines up on that particular day). States have different rules around high school athletes running at races outside of their state (silly I know).
I am sure Grant will run very well his senior year of high school. As I am also sure he will run very well during college and beyond - precisely because he hasn't been over trained/over strained in order to try and break stratospheric records in the mile and two mile.
Personally, from what I have read and heard, I like his coaches attitude and especially like Grant's. Long term development is key with the talent this kid has. My guess is he has a very good shot at sub four outdoors and perhaps even during indoors given the right race situation. Sub 8:30... Maybe but a very long shot due to lack of training for such - which is good IMO.
You mean German's 8:34 - which is the record! Not some transplant's time from the Baltic Eurozone.
Agree. Sub 4 = immidate legend.
Non sub 4 and next thing you know he is somewhere between forgotten and Ed Chez.
No way he gets 8:29 IMO. That is an amazing time that will not be broken soon. He might get 3:5x if he and his know it all coach are willing to try.
Gertrude wrote:
, this coach and others want to do the minimum to finish work as opposed to seeing running like living your dreams
Could be that Grant living out his own dreams is more important than him living out your dreams.
Watherboy... He is a high school kid. He is not competing and doing something he loves for your entertainment.
Go pro out of HS? Not smart for almost any male runner especially a middle distance runner. Maturity, endurance, speed, racing development takes time, much can happen during that time. On your advice, he would forgo far too much and risk his future (both athletically, academically (he is going to Stanford which is one of the best learning institutions on the planet earth), financially (much more to living beyond a very short pro career), socially/mentally (much happens during informative college years that opens and in some ways cements ones future) and going to college and being on a college team is a lot of fun.
Get over your hang-up about his coach. His coach is saying he believes his athlete is capable of running sub-4, that it is not being chased or overly focused on and when it happens (which it will) it happens.
Sit back in your armchair and stop your grumbling. Keep your enjoyment about track at the forefront of your thoughts and as a way to enjoy the fine young talent that is USA HS track and field. hope that those kids that you follow are not rushed along in their development just to break HS records. That way some of these kids might entertain you as did Komen at an older age.
Well said, Kansas. This guy gets it.
Grant's coach may not have used the best choice of words, and that seemed to convey an attitude a bit on the arrogant side. But the coach's words are not what's important here. What matters is the development of the athlete, and building the foundation for a hopefully great future, both in athletics and academics. By any measure, Grant and his coach and his parents are doing a remarkable job of that.
There is even an excellent object lesson on this very subject that has been discussed pretty extensively on these boards -- Sean McGorty. He ran extremely well in high school but short of any big time records. He has continued that in college, at the same school and on the same team where Grant is headed. If his development and progress continue on even close to the same progression curve he's been on so far, he can have an incredible career both at the collegiate and professional levels.
Let's not just observe and talk about real success. Let's learn something from it.
a 4 min mile flat is equal to 8.31 2 mile according to mcmillan. whereas 3.53 is equal to 8.18 2 mile so the mile record is far stronger
I live in Grand Blanc and have witnessed workouts and also saw him at the State Meet in Brooklyn. Trust me, don't put anything past this kid as he's tough as nails.
Annie Thor's Daughter wrote:
I think a talent like this should go after the 2 mile record and try to best it. I think he is definitely fast enough to do it. Does he even have the desire to try?
I also have some decent video of him at the State Meet from this year. I tried to post it, but then it got deleted:( Oh well, he was an animal there and it was crappy weather, cold & windy!
Most tables are off some far worse than others
Mileage sufficient to dominate US HS running is sufficient to get him close to 8' 3000.
Note that no super high mileage runner has been near 8:30 2mi at HS level since Nelson. No one get that record without 4' 1600 capability regardless of volume.
No; he has no chance for the record.
Fisher will not be better than Verzbicas.
People seem to forget that after wining FL AND NXN he won the Mile, 2 Mile (just off HSR) , and 5k (HSR) at NBIN and then ran sub 4 and sub 8:30.
I'd also say that the field Verzbicas had to run against were superior than today's crop of upperclassmen. Cheserek, Rosas, Moussa, Gedyon, Oshier, Lutz, just to name a few.
Sub 4 will put him near the top, but not better than Verzbicas, unless he runs something like 3:56 or under.
J.R. wrote:
No; he has no chance for the record.
False. He does have a "chance". It depends on what "he" wants to go after, not you.
p.s. I live near Pine Knob, which is not far from Grand Blanc. I'll be out at his high school track in less than a month. If I see him, I'll let him know that J.R. said he has no chance.
NDANO wrote:
J.R. wrote:No; he has no chance for the record.
False. He does have a "chance". It depends on what "he" wants to go after, not you.
Also, a Stanford education is worth $55K++ per year so he is "getting something" for staying in school!
You have a "Pine Knob"?