"Deflategate" is essentially over after latest report

I think it is hilarious that you guys think you know football.

Anyone that has followed Brady since college knows that he prefers over inflated footballs. He always has. However, he is generally stuck with the league rules on inflation pressure.

Insiders in the league suspect that someone on the Colts side deflated these balls to mess with Brady. It didn't work, and after the blowout, no one wants to throw the Colts under the bus.

That is why we are not going to see a real resolution of this issue.

Why are you even talking about such a boring topic as the NFL?

"DEFLATEGATE" was just MADE UP to drum up attention in the WEAKEST YEAR THE NFL HAS SEEN THIS CENTURY.

It is ALL fixed anyway, and the sport has become a joke. DRUG SCANDAL, ABUSE SCANDAL, SCANDAL SCANDAL SCANDAL.

The usual CLASSY companies advertising in the Super Bowl have REFUSED to buy ad time because the league is such a JOKE. LINCOLN. JAGUAR.

MEDIA DAY is a bigger story than the actual GAME. What does that tell you?

This isn't law. No one was discussing law. This is a casual discussion on a message board.

Again, Dennis was clearly using "kill" synonymously with "murder."

This seems to have gone several meters over your head.

No. A criminal is someone who commits a crime. Breaking the law is a crime.

Bringing up legal definitions in a non-legal context is meaningless.

This isn't a courtroom. This is a normal conversation. No one was discussing legal definitions.

If Dennis was discussing law, you would have had a point. He wasn't however, and it was quite clear what he meant.

rupp-certified saladbar wrote:

Why are you even talking about such a boring topic as the NFL?

"DEFLATEGATE" was just MADE UP to drum up attention in the WEAKEST YEAR THE NFL HAS SEEN THIS CENTURY.

It is ALL fixed anyway, and the sport has become a joke. DRUG SCANDAL, ABUSE SCANDAL, SCANDAL SCANDAL SCANDAL.

The usual CLASSY companies advertising in the Super Bowl have REFUSED to buy ad time because the league is such a JOKE. LINCOLN. JAGUAR.

MEDIA DAY is a bigger story than the actual GAME. What does that tell you?

This super bowl will have higher ratings than any super bowl in history

Companies will pay more money to advertise during this super bowl than any other time or channel period

The ratings and earnings for the NFL increased this year, just like they did last year, and the year before, and the year before

What does that tell you?

dial it up wrote:

Dennis Reynolds 2.5 wrote:

If someone takes PEDs, competes and the tests come back negative is that legal?

Technically yes its legal because they competed without punishment. In terms of what actually happens, it isn't illegal if you don't get caught. Such as when holding doesn't get called. This may be a little over your head.

I'm taking your logic and applying it to something else. If someone broke into someone's house and stole Things. But no one noticed, is that legal?

get used to it.. wrote:

Who else is spying? This is an asinine claim.

Have you ever noticed that no coach talks on the sidelines without covering his mouth. That's because lip readers are looking to steal whatever advantage they can for their teams.

George Allen was famous for scouring the trees around the Redskins practice field looking for spies 50 years ago.

So I'm driving my daughters to school today and there is Super Bowl talk on the radio.

My 9 year old asks, what's so special about the Super Bowl that gets all of this talk.

Then she asks - who's the team that cheated?

My 11 year old answers - The Patriots. They deflated the balls.

I had to laugh.

I have not talked to them at all about the game. They're just repeating the talk that's been going around in their elementary school.

I guess deflategate is not over.

I don't care about it and just want to see a good game.

I want to see Tom Brady marching his team down the field and Marshawn Lynch running over people.

Doesn't matter who wins.

SMiLE wrote:

A bunch of crap that doesn't make sense

Look, you are just wrong. You have no idea what you are talking about.

There are more civil laws in this world than criminal laws. One can breach the laws of a contract and no one would consider them a "criminal." Like Dennis, you are out of your element. Just stop making yourself look stupid.

And, just so your realize, it was your buddy Dennis that turned this into a legal argument not me. Go back and read. He analogized the cheating scandal to a killing someone and started dropping legal terms like murder and guilt.

The bottom line is this: Dennis wanted to proclaim the Patriots "cheaters" before the quasi-legal process concluded. I don't.

ffxxxhkkgcchjv wrote:

I'm taking your logic and applying it to something else. If someone broke into someone's house and stole Things. But no one noticed, is that legal?

How hard is this to understand?

Before one is found guilty of a crime, they are--at worst--an "alleged criminal."

You are not a criminal until you are convicted of a crime.

What the hell? Folks this is absolutely at the heart of personal liberty and was one of the most important rights in the founding of our country. This tendency in our country to publicly "convict" people when they are arrested or accused of wrongdoing is one of the greatest social ills of our age. (That is not hyperbole.) You are innocent until proven guilty. You are not a cheater until proven to be one; you are not a criminal until convicted.

NYTimes story seems to put this to rest as well.

Healy, who provided The New York Times with an advance copy of his technical paper on the experiments, concluded that most or all of the deflation could be explained by those environmental effects.

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IDEAL GAS LAW Max Tegmark, an M.I.T. professor of physics, wrote out the equation, below, which was used in initial calculations in the New England case. Credit Julia Robinson for The New York Times

“This analysis looks solid to me,” said Max Tegmark, a professor of physics at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology who reviewed the paper at The Times’s request. “To me, their measurements mean that there’s no evidence of foul play.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/30/sports/football/deflation-experiments-show-patriots-may-have-science-on-their-side-after-all.html

The locker room attendant has confessed...

http://youtu.be/feuNeJewzDo

webby wrote:

get used to it.. wrote:

Who else is spying? This is an asinine claim.

Have you ever noticed that no coach talks on the sidelines without covering his mouth. That's because lip readers are looking to steal whatever advantage they can for their teams.

George Allen was famous for scouring the trees around the Redskins practice field looking for spies 50 years ago.

Let's dismiss this post immediately.

First, it wasn't a rule 50 years ago, come on man. Get with the times.

Second, it's legal to record them during a game, so coach's cover their mouth. It is illegal to record them during their closed practice. Plain and simple. I guarantee coaches are not covering their mouth during closed practices.

rupp-certified saladbar wrote:

Why are you even talking about such a boring topic as the NFL?

"DEFLATEGATE" was just MADE UP to drum up attention in the WEAKEST YEAR THE NFL HAS SEEN THIS CENTURY.

It is ALL fixed anyway, and the sport has become a joke. DRUG SCANDAL, ABUSE SCANDAL, SCANDAL SCANDAL SCANDAL.

The usual CLASSY companies advertising in the Super Bowl have REFUSED to buy ad time because the league is such a JOKE. LINCOLN. JAGUAR.

MEDIA DAY is a bigger story than the actual GAME. What does that tell you?

Have you looked at the TV Ratings for this year?? Obviously not, otherwise you would have never said this was the weakest year the NFL has seen this century.

Henry David Thoreau wrote:

Second, it's legal to record them during a game, so coach's cover their mouth. It is illegal to record them during their closed practice.

No it isn't. That is exactly what the Patriots did when they were "spying".

Mundus Vult wrote:

Henry David Thoreau wrote:

Second, it's legal to record them during a game, so coach's cover their mouth. It is illegal to record them during their closed practice.

No it isn't. That is exactly what the Patriots did when they were "spying".

Yes it is. They got in trouble for recording from a location not authorized by the NFL. NOT for recording in general. Spygate couldn't possibly be more stupid or trivial.

Dolomite wrote:

rojo wrote:

1) 90 seconds is easily enough time for a guy to stick 12 balls with a pressure gauge in a private bathroom.

You think 90 seconds is enough to get in the bathroom, lock the door, take 12 balls out the bag, DEFLATE THEM EXACTLY TO BRADY'S DESIRED PSI LEVEL, put them back in the bag and leave? Wow, we're just going to have to disagree on that. Nearly every NFL quarterback is saying that QBs are very particular about how they like their footballs. It sounds like this type of operation would have little or no margin for error.

Take a look at this test video from Steve Czaban on deflating footballs. It's not all that easy to deflate a football to a desired PSI level in a really brief window of time.

http://www.theczabe.com/the-post/nimble-hand-0-65-seconds-can/

What makes you think that these were deflated "exactly to Brady's deisred PSI level"? They were deflated, that's all we know.

Drew Brees admitted that during a game he would not be able to tell the difference in two differently inflated balls. Maybe Brady wouldn't be able to either.

We know 11 of 12 Patriots balls were deflated. We know ZERO Colts balls were deflated. The investigation is on-going. Until that investigation is complete, Belichick, Brady, Kraft are not guilty or cheaters.

The people who think it's IMPOSSIBLE that anyone within the Patriots organization is responsible are just ignorant. This doesn't mean it was Belichick or Brady or Kraft orchestrating the deflating of the balls.

If every team does deflates balls, why has NO OTHER TEAM ever been accussed prior? THE WHOLE WORLD IS OUT TO GET THE PATRIOTS (yeah right).

Mundus Vult wrote:

Henry David Thoreau wrote:

Second, it's legal to record them during a game, so coach's cover their mouth. It is illegal to record them during their closed practice.

No it isn't. That is exactly what the Patriots did when they were "spying".

You're right. I was referring to the portion of the investigation where they recorded a St. Louis Rams practice. My bad.

It's illegal to record them from an on-field camera during the game. Quite different.

Joe Montana says that it is obvious that Brady was behind it.

There is nothing to "be behind." Anyone(other than Stars kids, since they are kids) who still thinks this is a thing should be banned from posting on any threads other than a thread titled "idiots please post here." This thread will be a magical place for you all to post your thoughts and opinions and not waste the time of posters with a brain on the normal threads.