"Deflategate" is essentially over after latest report

Reports are now that the balls were really 1 PSI below the minimum standard instead of 2 PSI. It's already been proven that the weather can cause that much drop in pressure and more.

When someone's story keeps changing it gets harder and harder to believe. The Colt guy that intercepted the ball reported it...No, wait he denied it! No wait, in 2 other games the balls were deflated. The balls were 2 PSI too low. No wait! They were only 1.

The only people left who believe this media fiction are some seriously messed up Patriot haters who probably don't even know why they hate the Patriots anymore, they just blindly accept the media portrayal, even after it has been proven false.

Mundus Vult wrote:

Dennis Reynolds 2.5 wrote:

If I kill someone and don't get caught what I did was legal? Wow, that's news to me. Are you seriously this much of a dunce?

It is you who are being a dunce.

There is a difference between killing someone and murdering them. Once is justifiable under the law while the other is not.

Likewise, doing something illegal does not make one a criminal. A "criminal" is a legal declaration that is used once a legal process has been completed.

Analogously, the Patriots aren't "cheaters" (at least in the instant case) until they are shown to be cheaters. An athlete isn't a drug "cheat" until they have failed a test.

Understand?

THANK YOU. I knew it would be over dennis' head

We agree, I never thought this day would come. I feel weird.

It's all over.

http://dailycaller.com/2015/01/26/did-an-nfl-executive-lie-about-how-deflated-pats-balls-really-were-video/

Lol...funny article. Even funnier someone could take it seriously.

Goodell must resign wrote:

It's all over.

http://dailycaller.com/2015/01/26/did-an-nfl-executive-lie-about-how-deflated-pats-balls-really-were-video/

Agreeing with t-rexing is a clear indication of an error on your part since he is a lying freaking moron who has tried to fool us into believing he knows anything about nutrition. This just shows there is one more thing he knows own nothing about.

So now that we're admitting football officials can make mistakes, are we also admitting that track officials can make mistakes, or is it still a giant conspiracy by Alberto Salazar and big old evil Nike?

I see since the last time I saw you on here you haven't become less of a freaking moron. Yes, the balls lose one more psi. Somehow people figured out that there was no way there was a 2 lb drop so now some claim 1 lb and that suddenly makes it an acceptable excuse. My god your idiocy knows no ends.

Mundus Vult wrote:

Dennis Reynolds 2.5 wrote:

If I kill someone and don't get caught what I did was legal? Wow, that's news to me. Are you seriously this much of a dunce?

It is you who are being a dunce.

There is a difference between killing someone and murdering them. Once is justifiable under the law while the other is not.

Likewise, doing something illegal does not make one a criminal. A "criminal" is a legal declaration that is used once a legal process has been completed.

Analogously, the Patriots aren't "cheaters" (at least in the instant case) until they are shown to be cheaters. An athlete isn't a drug "cheat" until they have failed a test.

Understand?

There is SO much wrong with this post, and to the person Dennis was responding to.

Firstly, getting caught or not getting caught does not affect the legality of an action.

Regarding PEDs, the claim: "Technically yes its legal because they competed without punishment. In terms of what actually happens, it isn't illegal if you don't get caught." is simply incorrect.

If someone's action is illegal, whether he is punished or not has no bearing on the status of the action's legality.

Also, regarding Mundus Vult's post...

It seemed fairly clear to me that Dennis implied "murder" when he wrote "kill".

Next, your claim that killing is justifiable under the law is strange for a number of reasons.

One being that many people use "kill" in normal conversation synonymously with "murder."

Two, to say that killing is "justifiable under the law" is quite an assumption, i.e., self-defense.

There are many instances of someone ending someone else's life that are not justified under the law, but also are not murder, for example, hitting someone with your car and killing them, a patient dying in surgery due to a mistake by the surgeon, someone getting accidentally shot in a hunting accident, etc.

Additionally, the claim "doing something illegal does not make one a criminal" is wrong. That is exactly what a criminal is: one who commits a crime.

One who purposefully breaks a rule is a cheater. Getting caught or not getting caught is irrelevant to this being the case.

If someone took PEDs and compted, he does not need to test positive to be a drug cheat. That is an absurd claim.

You are out of your element, Donnie.

In law, there is a necessity for precision among terms.

Murder is a specific crime that requires a certain set of actions and a certain mental state. Killing someone, in law, is simply not the same. You are simply wrong here.

You are also wrong by defining a criminal as someone who commits a crime. Breaking a law is not the same thing as committing a crime.

We may colloquially call someone a "criminal" or a "cheater" but that is quite different from the legal definitions of those words.

I'm a troll.

I'm a troll, too.

this just in. the footballs weren't the only things the ball boy "rubbed out" in the bathroom

If I sleep with another woman other than my wife am I not a cheater unless I get caught? If so I love precision of terms, can help me sleep at night.

Dennis Reynolds 2.5 wrote:

If I sleep with another woman other than my wife am I not a cheater unless I get caught? If so I love precision of terms, can help me sleep at night.

*Stares up as concepts zoom over his head*

Wandering into my profession (philosophy). All murder is killing, but not all killing is murder. By definition, "killing" is the taking of a life (usually in reference to human life). Murder is the taking of life that is explicitly prohibited by the law. However, by definition it is the job of the law (applied by judge and jury) to identify who is a murderer. Someone can be ontologically a murderer yet without legally being identified as a murder. OJ is the best example of this...guilty as sin, but legally he will not face criminal consequences of his actions.

Similarly, it is not the job of the patriots or belichick or brady or kraft to ensure the proper inflation of the footballs...it is the job of the officials. If the officials allow the balls into play, THEY are the ones responsible for their condition. We would all agree this is the case with important things like whether or not the space shuttle is fit to takeoff. If it takes off and those responsible for certifying its condition gave it a thumbs up, and it explodes, whose fault is it?

This is a case of gotcha. It is easy to paint the patriots as cheaters because they did have a past "infraction" (I come from a baseball family and have a hard time blaming them for stealing defensive signals, in baseball if you allow your signals to be stolen, that is the defenses fault, not the offenses...but whatever, they were declared guilty by the officials and faced the consequences). Coupled with the fact that they curb stomped every other team in the league, it is easy to give them the black hat, take some of the shine off their victory, distract them in their SB prep. This would also explain the NFL's silence on the natter...they were the ones caught sleeping on the job.

I look forward to the idiotic posts when Dark Lord Hoodie begins his reign of terror over the Seahawks.

As a Tom Brady fan, I hope the Pats are vindicated, but I think I'm pretty unbiased.

1) 90 seconds is easily enough time for a guy to stick 12 balls with a pressure gauge in a private bathroom.

2) Weather may be able to explain the deflated balls, particularly if they weren't actually measured by PSI before the game. Why would Indy's balls not be low? Maybe they were at the high end of the range. Weather can easily explain 1 PSI per inch.

3) It's absurd that some guy who used to work with the Jets when Belicheck left is in charge of the investigation.

4) I imagine the balls aren't measured with PSI before the game - certainly not recorded - or we would have heard what they were at.

5) IT'S EMBARRASING HOW THE NFL HAS HANDLED THIS, ALLOWED THIS TO HAPPEN. 1.5 weeks later,and they still haven't interviewed Brady or told us much of anything. What were the PSIs of the two teams before the game, after , etc?

It almost reminds me of the pre-EPO test era. EPO was banned but there was no test for it. Here the balls are supposed to be a certain PSI yet the NFL allows each team to have it's own balls and then doesn't have control of them in the 2 hrs before the game.

Real simple solution. Measure the balls right before the game or 2 hours, doesnt' matter, but then keep control of them until kickoff. Let the Pats warmup with their own balls.

6) The MEDIA has been pretty bad as well. Belicheck has done his own experiments and figure it out in the last 10 days, the media doesn't seem to do it very well.

rojo wrote:

1) 90 seconds is easily enough time for a guy to stick 12 balls with a pressure gauge in a private bathroom.

7.5 seconds per ball to remove it from a bag, stick a needle in it, remove no more than 2.0 PSI per ball, put all 12 balls back in the bag and leave the room?

This would be another thing I am willing to wager on (and for something reasonable).

if anyone can deflate 12 footballs exactly 2.0 PSI in 90 seconds (without going over), I would do something publicly humiliating.

Mundus Vult wrote:

rojo wrote:

1) 90 seconds is easily enough time for a guy to stick 12 balls with a pressure gauge in a private bathroom.

7.5 seconds per ball to remove it from a bag, stick a needle in it, remove no more than 2.0 PSI per ball, put all 12 balls back in the bag and leave the room?

This would be another thing I am willing to wager on (and for something reasonable).

if anyone can deflate 12 footballs exactly 2.0 PSI in 90 seconds (without going over), I would do something publicly humiliating.

Of course nobody did this. Why, even after so many things have come out, do people still think its a conspiracy?

Most of the balls were only about 1 psi below, not 2. I am going to say this in all caps for everyone: THE PATS BROUGHT THE BALLS TO THE CHECK IN UNDER LEGAL PSI, THEY PROBABLY DIDN'T EVEN MEASURE THEM THEMSELVES. THE OFFICIALS DIDNT USE A GAUGE, THE BALLS FELT FINE, AND THEY PASSED THEM. END OF STORY.