Where does Estrada's 1:00:51 rank on all-time U.S. List?

Blowing Rock Master! wrote:

Williams's, Abdirahman's, Rupp's, and Kempainen's times were all on aided courses. If you're going to include them then you need to include Terry Cotton's 59:41 from the Fontana Days race in 1986.

There are aided courses and there are AIDED COURSES -- The Fontana course is not as fast a being dropped from an airplane, but compared to the rest it was. It goes straight down the rather fast gradient and does not belong in the same class as NY. NY has some pretty fast times because they have some extraordinarily fast people running it. So, do not really bother adding any Fontana marks with the aided courses because it is simply a course that should not be allowed. Some really fast guys (e.g., the sub-59 kind) might run 55-56 minutes there.

Ummm, are you aware that regular airplanes cannot climb to 21.1 km?

You talk about being in the zone. How long has Estrada been flying like this?

He sure looks good.

I can't imagine how fast the field would have run if the race were on the NYC Half course. I'm sure at least 75 guys would have run under 65 and Estrada would have run under 60, which is impressive for just his third half marathon. Ryan Hall may have even broken 64 minutes.

If you notice, the guy who got 2nd in that race is the kid that just ran 3:56 for NAU's Big Sky competitor Montana State. Originally from Hartnell community college. They just signed Diego Leon from hartnell as well. And let's not forget Daniel Tapia who finished 9th at Boston a few years back. Salinas must have something in the water... Or maybe it's just the lettuce

Al Titude wrote:

Ummm, are you aware that regular airplanes cannot climb to 21.1 km?

People have sky dived from higher than that. Felix Baumgartner dropped from 24 miles up in the atmosphere.

Fontana should not be in this discussion. Fontana runs straight down out of the mountains dropping 2200 ft in 13.1 miles and has no uphill.

http://www.halfmarathons.net/course-map-fontana-days-run-half-marathon/

NYC Half drops 50 ft from start to finish in 13.1 miles and has uphills.

http://www.halfmarathons.net/course-map-new-york-city-half-marathon/

Houston Half is fairly flat except for about 3 dips.

http://www.halfmarathons.net/course-map-aramco-houston-half-marathon/

good grief wrote:

Al Titude wrote:

Ummm, are you aware that regular airplanes cannot climb to 21.1 km?

People have sky dived from higher than that. Felix Baumgartner dropped from 24 miles up in the atmosphere.

From a regular airplane? Nope.

Not a bad time for a plastic American

To be clear, when I was putting the list together, I didn't include Cotton's performance because the elevation drop and the time are so outlandish that I think most people agree it shouldn't count for record purposes. NYC may not be a record-eligible course, but I decided to include it because it doesn't offer a huge advantage like Fontana.

Perhaps I should have made it clearer when I created the list (which to be clear, initially was only supposed to show fastest DEBUTS by an American). I updated the list in the story to fastest HMs by an American, period, after I found out this wasn't actually Estrada's debut.

On the front page quote by Estrada, he calls this his debut..what gives?

ukathleticscoach wrote:

Not a bad time for a plastic American

Do you ever say anything that is NOT moronic?

"On the front page quote by Estrada, he calls this his debut..what gives?"

His first real shot at the half m.

First real shot wrote:

"On the front page quote by Estrada, he calls this his debut..what gives?"

His first real shot at the half m.

His twitter page uses quotation marks around the word "debut"

26mi235 wrote:

There are aided courses and there are AIDED COURSES -- The Fontana course is not as fast a being dropped from an airplane, but compared to the rest it was. It goes straight down the rather fast gradient and does not belong in the same class as NY.

So let me get this straight - we should include courses that help you a little but not ones that help you a lot because getting a little help is the same thing as getting no help at all?

You only debut once.

This is not a debut at all. I don't understand this whole debut thing.

He ran a 1:06 half marathon before this. This was his second half marathon.

It was his third.

Who cares about all the "debut" crap.

Unless it was the first race he has ever run, it doesn't matter.

He has been running for quite some time, in various distance, many similar to this.

He gets credit for winning. Now, go run against the big boys... put up or shut up.