Cristian ran 4:05.18 last night at the Montana State open. Altitude of i believe 4,800ft?
What is the conversion for this?
I know Pat Casey ran a 4:04 in this venue that converted to a 3:59 a few years back. Anyone care to explain?
He ran 4:05.18. Period.
thats a fantastic time up at elevation
But don't bother with conversions, everyone responds differently when going from elevation to sea level or vice versa. You cannot predict this. In XC I would make up 50-80 second gaps on my teammates over 8K and 7-8s in the mile when we would go down to sea level, and end up finishing ahead of most of them. People are just different that way.
NCAA conversion for the track at MSU changed since Pat Casey's time because the banked track is gone. Now flat. (And still 4800 feet.) The conversion might be a little generous but Soratos ran a solo 4:01 time trial in CA over Christmas break so he's fit.
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Flagstaff converts one mile as 9.1 seconds, and that is at 7,000 feet.
How is 4,800 feet convert a 4:05.18 to 3:56.87? That's 8.31sec cut off, that is a ton for not even a mile high. Seems generous.
will the NCAA recognize this mark to qualify for NCAA Indoors?
9 second altitude conversion? Did Montana State move to Mt Everest?
As someone stated earlier, when Casey ran he only got an altitude conversion of around 5 seconds. However he ran outright 3:59, converted to 3:54. Now Boxeman has a flat track and evidently a fast one. 4:05 down to 3:56. Over 8 seconds for a mile... I agree that everyone does respond differently to altitude. That makes that conversion questionable, but that flat track conversion needs work... And why is banked the norm considering there are only about 20 banked ncaa tracks in the country? Fact of the matter is that is the NCAA's current system and you will see him at nats. And if nats is at altitude... I like this kid
BigSkyGuy wrote:
http://m.tfrrs.org/lists/1345#12945Cristian ran 4:05.18 last night at the Montana State open. Altitude of i believe 4,800ft?
What is the conversion for this?
I know Pat Casey ran a 4:04 in this venue that converted to a 3:59 a few years back. Anyone care to explain?
I can only hope that it is a misprint. he ran 401at sea level the week before, maybe they took that time and coverted it. the 405 in bozeman should be about 4-5 seconds. The track went from a 200m banked mondo to 200 m flat mondo. I didn't realize you get seconds for a flat track? if so it is something new.
Edward Teach wrote:
9 second altitude conversion? Did Montana State move to Mt Everest?
This... The mile is much too short to have this kind of conversion. If someone is acclimated, try a quarter of that.
Presuming he's acclimated, of course. If he's not, all bets are off.
conversion question wrote:
will the NCAA recognize this mark to qualify for NCAA Indoors?
Of course they will? What do you think the conversion is for?
Leaving aside the conversion, everyone who's run that kind of time in Bozeman has gone on to do well at Nationals. McGowan, Tolman, Atwater, Casey.
Hayduke wrote:
BigSkyGuy wrote:http://m.tfrrs.org/lists/1345#12945Cristian ran 4:05.18 last night at the Montana State open. Altitude of i believe 4,800ft?
What is the conversion for this?
I know Pat Casey ran a 4:04 in this venue that converted to a 3:59 a few years back. Anyone care to explain?
I can only hope that it is a misprint. he ran 401at sea level the week before, maybe they took that time and coverted it. the 405 in bozeman should be about 4-5 seconds. The track went from a 200m banked mondo to 200 m flat mondo. I didn't realize you get seconds for a flat track? if so it is something new.
Yes of course you get a conversion from a flat track. No it is not new. Everything is converted to banked because that is standard. It also what nationals, worlds, etc are all held on. He got both a flat track and an altitude conversion which is why it was 9 seconds
You guys aren't listening, there's a reason why he has a # AND @ next to his time on the list, it's not only at altitude, but it's ALSO a 200m FLAT track... Both of those factors go into his 8.3 second conversion, not just the altitude... 201m-330m indoor flat tracks don't have a conversion, 200m bank tracks don't have a conversion, 200m flat tracks do, if you've ever tried to run on a 200m flat track, it's fairly hard...
Like said previously, Pat Casey only got 5 seconds off his time, but that was back when MSU had a banked track, not they don't, so the seconds he gets off for altitude are the same... Which would make his 4:05 a 4:00, but then they took another 3.3 off for that fact it was a 200m FLAT TRACK...
Like said previously, Pat Casey only got 5 seconds off his time, but that was back when MSU had a banked track, not they don't, so the seconds he gets off for altitude are the same... Which would make his 4:05 a 4:00, but then they took another 3.3 off for that fact it was a 200m FLAT TRACK...
Read more:
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=6276614#ixzz3PFDAYzxF
drew W wrote:
Like said previously, Pat Casey only got 5 seconds off his time, but that was back when MSU had a banked track, not they don't, so the seconds he gets off for altitude are the same... Which would make his 4:05 a 4:00, but then they took another 3.3 off for that fact it was a 200m FLAT TRACK...
Read more:
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=6276614#ixzz3PFDAYzxF
This is just a link to the same thread, what am I supposed to be seeing exactly?
School website keeps claiming he actually ran 3:56. No mention that he actually ran 4:05. Talk about omitting a major point.
As the picture shows, he ran in lane 3. THAT should shut down the haters!
Of course... wrote:
http://www.msubobcats.com/news/2015/1/17/MTRACK_0117154153.aspxSchool website keeps claiming he actually ran 3:56. No mention that he actually ran 4:05. Talk about omitting a major point.
According to the NCAA its 3:56. That will be used for qualifying and seeding at nationals.