Steve Scott the greatest american miler?

logician wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

Ryun was one of those "talent" kids who starts running records right off the bat, plus doping was legal in his day so you never know.

Steve Scott only ran 4:16 in high school, but ended up 4 seconds faster than Ryun. And at the very least he couldn't pop speed or opiates before racing like it was in the old days. So he had to work for it more than Ryun. He earned it. Faster + worked harder = greater.

Will you shut the fvck up already?

You have Z-E-R-O proof or evidence that Ryun ever doped.

You're like a broken record with this shit.

What Bad "boi" Wigins is saying is: "In his day he was a dope. And he used dope. Therefore he is a complete dope."

And today, Wigins is still a complete idiot, and dope. Once a doper, always a dope, and so goes Wigins.

I used to post as HardLoper

I wasn't replying to you or quoting you. The reply was to htmonlee.

Of course you never know if someone doped or not but bringing the idea up in relation to a particular athlete is usually meant as an insinuation. We all knew that people doped back then but there was nothing like EPO and the common belief among distance runners was that steroids made you heavier and were actually detrimental to distance runners. The idea that you could use them to strengthen muscles and hold up under harder training was not in the general domain then but you're correct, no one knows who was doing what.

And that includes Steve Scott who I admire and am not accusing of anything. But are you really naive enough to believe that he couldn't have taken illegal stuff simply because there was testing? And again, with no criticism of Scott, but how can you possibly think that Scott worked harder than Ryun? Have you ever seen samples of Ryun's training?

Ryun #1.

But Scott was great. Especially '82 - '83, won a lot of big races, worlds silver, I think he beat Coe in '83 too (not Coe's best year).

I love Scott, but can't help wonder of course, was he clean?

I saw him win the Pre meet 800 in Eugene in '81 at 1:46, smooth and impressive.

This thread, like all other 'is x the greatest?' threads, is useless unless you clearly define 'greatest'

What ensues is a meaningless squabble, otherwise

if Steve Scott is your FAVORITE runner, then great. Many will agree with you.

Bad Wigins wrote:

Ryun was one of those "talent" kids who starts running records right off the bat, plus doping was legal in his day so you never know.

Steve Scott only ran 4:16 in high school, but ended up 4 seconds faster than Ryun. And at the very least he couldn't pop speed or opiates before racing like it was in the old days. So he had to work for it more than Ryun. He earned it. Faster + worked harder = greater.

Webb maybe could contend for the title but not Ryun.

Though I agree with your conclusion, your equation saying that "worked harder" somehow equals greater is just plain stupid. So someone running 1000 miles per week is greater than someone running 0 miles per week despite the same results?

youngcoach12 wrote:

Enjoy my friends!

Steve Scott's Training Log

1981

Read more:

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=346165#ixzz3Oa27Xifn

Well, so much for "they didn't run high-mileage back then"

801 dude wrote:

youngcoach12 wrote:

Enjoy my friends!

Steve Scott's Training Log

1981

Read more:

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=346165#ixzz3Oa27Xifn

Well, so much for "they didn't run high-mileage back then"

I'm pretty sure "back then" means the 1990s.

but Kiprop is my favorite runner.

not another greatest thread wrote:

This thread, like all other 'is x the greatest?' threads, is useless unless you clearly define 'greatest'

What ensues is a meaningless squabble, otherwise

if Steve Scott is your FAVORITE runner, then great. Many will agree with you.

Bad Wigins wrote:

Ryun was one of those "talent" kids who starts running records right off the bat, plus doping was legal in his day so you never know.

Steve Scott only ran 4:16 in high school, but ended up 4 seconds faster than Ryun. And at the very least he couldn't pop speed or opiates before racing like it was in the old days. So he had to work for it more than Ryun. He earned it. Faster + worked harder = greater.

Webb maybe could contend for the title but not Ryun.

If this is a troll, not a bad effort. If serious, it's one of the dumber things I've ever read on LetsRun and that's saying a lot.

Bad Wigins wrote:

Ryun was one of those "talent" kids who starts running records right off the bat, plus doping was legal in his day so you never know.

Steve Scott only ran 4:16 in high school, but ended up 4 seconds faster than Ryun. And at the very least he couldn't pop speed or opiates before racing like it was in the old days. So he had to work for it more than Ryun. He earned it. Faster + worked harder = greater.

Webb maybe could contend for the title but not Ryun.

I hesitate to give your comments a rerun, but I am curious what opiates you believe are taken (or were taken in the era you are discussing) as PEDs?

Also, why do you believe it is clever to make a pun out of Wiggins' name by misspelling it? I understand "Bad Wiggins" as a pun, but why misspell it?

In support of Scott, I think he stands out in two ways in particular:

1). Longevity. He was world class from 1978 through the 1988 Olympic Finals, and especially good from 1979-1983. Other great milers have done this (Coe, Ovett, El G, Walker) but not many.

2). He would race anyone anywhere. I can't think of him ever ducking anyone. He raced Eamonn indoors and Coe-Ovett-Cram-Maree-Walker etc outdoors and seemed to be in every race in that era. If nothing else, it is a mark of sportsmanship and competitiveness. The greatest regret from the era is the Coe and Ovett never raced each other outside the Olympics from 1979-1984.

I still put him second to Ryun, who took 2+ seconds off the world records, especially the 1500 which had stood seven years.

The curse of the American miler. Super talents like Ryun, Scott, Webb, and Falcon didn't have the championship race temprement to win the big races, and on the other hand lesser talents who performed well in championship races to achieve similar results, Manzano and Centrowitz.

kmaclam wrote:

"Scott over Liquoiri"???…ABSOLUTELY!

Did Scott run in a tougher era than Ryun et. al.

And that collection of sub 4's, damned impressive.

"Scott is Back Baby!!!"

said no one ever.

There's a reason why Webb is the best. It's because Webb is the best.

Ryun didn't have the OPPORTUNITIES to run in World Championships, World Indoor Championships, etc. etc.

Steve Scott is my favorite American miler but it's hard to say he's better than Ryan.

I've always thought a medal was possible in LA in 1984 but he got caught up in the excitement and ran a poor tactical race.

Botchakaloop Jones was the greatest miler in U.S. history

1939 he ran a 4:09 mile on soggy cinder track at the age of 15. He was never allowed to run again, due to his parents believing more in hard work and bringing home money and not " foolish running in a circle. "

He was a sure thing for fame and fortune, but it was not to be.