Galen Rupp tested FIFTEEN TIMES by USADA in 2014. More than ANYONE in distance running. Is somthing up?

Easy to get Under the Radar wrote:

Dude, there is no such thing as 'unannounced [drug] testing'. USADA/WADA, NFL, MLB, FIFA, DoD, FAA, etc. lets everyone the exact list of substances they test for. Clinicians simply inject their athletes with PEDs not on the list. It's that easy.

What is wrong with you people? Talk about conspiracy theorists. Get a grip already. 15 times in 3 quarters is hardly anything.

Tour de France GC riders will be tested that many times in 3 weeks. 15 times is nothing.

You need to keep in mind USADA doesn't do all of the testing either. Rupp was absolutely tested more than 15 times in the first 3 quarters of the year if you include tests by other federations.

Whether Rupp or any of the NOPers are using is something I can't possibly know one way or another, so I won't even get into a discussion about that. To claim someone is guilty because they are being tested more than others, yet not actually testing positive, is completely unfair to Rupp. What exactly do you want him to do to prove his innocence, not be tested at all?

You obviously don't know much about statistics either, as the only one on that list that you could argue as being an outlier is Simpson. It's strange that she was only tested by USADA twice, but if she was in Europe for much of the year than I would have to assume she was tested by another federation a heck of a lot more than twice.

Horses and Dogs in the United States used in gaming are tested for PEDS more than once a week by real state detectives. So what did the owners do? They give the horses and dogs a horrendous amount of pain killers and train them to death. As a result, horses are so numb to pain they break limbs racing and have to be put down.

"There's no tests for many human performance enhancing drugs, hormones, and steroids in use today."

^ This is correct.

WADA and the USADA are not investing as much for better testing of new stuff. Rather, they are paying investigators, and attorneys, to find the cheats thorough paperwork searches.

Go Galen Go wrote:

I feel really sorry for you. I just don't understand what could cause such anger for no reason.

Ever heard of Lance Armstrong?

Why cant you haters just accept the fact that while the rest of the world, including east Africa, needs PEDs to run sub 27, Portland based athletes do it by outworking everybody.

Purchase Records wrote:

"There's no tests for many human performance enhancing drugs, hormones, and steroids in use today."

^ This is correct.

WADA and the USADA are not investing as much for better testing of new stuff. Rather, they are paying investigators, and attorneys, to find the cheats thorough paperwork searches.

NO they aren't. They just say they are doing that. USADA/WADA are used to falsely give the public the impression that they are doing something about PEDS. WADA/USADA are part of the atheletic federations, TV network, and pro sports industry.

Until fully independent (by government or contracted university institute) and transparent PED and Pain Killer testing by sworn law enforcement personnel is put in place, the charade will continue.

Just look at protocol we have at meets/races now. Interns from univerisity ath depts and road racing clubs are chapparones. USATF/NCAA/IAAF volunteers manage the collections. This is total 100% corruption. B.S. to the MAX!

Sworn fulltime patrol cops should replace all of these people. The chain of custody of samples, test schedules, etc. should be managed by sworn law enforcement officers with decades of patrol (i.e. ass kicking rednecks, bikers, gangsters, and terrorists) experience.

Test results must be made public and placed on websites so that researchers at other institutes and labs can evaluate the data providing multiple layers of review and independent validation.

As it stands now, the joke is on those of use who are clean, and train our ass off every day.

Don't you feel like a fool? I do.

Select a UCSF Degreed Doc wrote:

Coach.. wrote:

Incorrect

You can get a ban later for peds not currently on the list

As a previous poster said, there is an APB for the large number of suspected Kenyan dopers currently at large

False. There's no tests for many human performance enhancing drugs, hormones, and steroids in use today.

Isn't that where the biological passport comes in?

The Bio Passport is a nice theory but it's a shill for inaction and corruption, and a red herring to advance the false impression that WADA/USADA are committed to cleaning up sports.

TUE = a doctor chemically stimulating an athlete to produce Performance Enhancing substances with his or her own body. Substances that the athlete in certain cases has drained by high stress at anorexic conditions, that's cheating or something.

My guess is that people and perhaps their coaches who don't have access to a doctor who has had 28 previous gold medal winners as clients and an officially sanctioned shield of invulnerability don't have a hard time justifying getting "Performance Enhanced "some other way. Who is leveling the playing field? So the guys without the sanction get busted and those with the money and politics to support a TUE or some other cover get to play.

Athletes are supposed to be the healthiest among us and yet many seem to come down with these syndromes. Normal people would rest and recover not get hormone treatments or whatever they are doing.

Shouldn't everyone know most of these TUE's are BS as far as fair play goes?

Nothing g seems off to me. But why not worry about the rarely tested runners? Are they getting a pass? Probably not but conjecture is easy.

Bad Wigins wrote:

agip wrote:

Except for J Simpson - weird that she only was tested twice.

And she WON a Diamond League race which Rupp has NEVER done.

I'm not sure Rupp has ever even earned a DL point.

I'd sooner have the olympic silver than any number of Diamond League points.

not in 2014 you wouldn't. DL was the prize, and Rupp was nowhere to be found.

sc42 wrote:

Higher-ranked athletes are tested more.

Or instead, maybe you can just keep logging onto a message board anonymously to pursue your weird obsession.

Hilarious. You are obsessive in your fanboy defences.

"Higher ranked athletes are tested more"?

So that is why Simpson, the US's best runner this year, was tested TWICE, and Dathan Ritzenhein, a stagnating NOP marathoner barely on the international radar, was tested 11 times?

The logical contortion you will go to to defend Rupp/NOP is astounding.

Bad Wigins wrote:

sc42 wrote:

Have you heard of the Diamond League?

the rupp-certified AR 10,000 was not a DL race.

Correct.

sc42 is a fanboy short on facts.

Galen Rupp has NEVER won a SINGLE major international race. (ie DL or Championships, on any surface.)

sc42 wrote:

rupp-certified saladbar wrote:

Rupp has NEVER won a single major international race. Period.

The Prefontaine Classic is a major international meet. Get some facts before you start babbling, to quote some dingleberry.

There was no DL 10,000. It was a great time trial set up for Rupp to win and AR, but not a race attracting the world's best, who were of course contesting the DL 5000 (where Rupp did miserably).

sc42 wrote:

Simpson is the outlier, Einstein.

Yes, she is one. So is Rupp.

If you disagree, please show me the distribution of testing among athletes tested by USADA, including other distance runners tested over 15 times.

Your "logic" is such a joke. You say that Rupp was so tested because of his performances, yet can't acknowledge that it's clearly not when Simpson and Jager were barely tested.

Meanwhile, Cain and Ritzenhein were tested so far out of proportion to their performances it is comical. Almost as comical as you pretending not to see it.

Clearly there is suspicion.

[quote]coach jw wrote:

Tour de France GC riders will be tested that many times in 3 weeks. 15 times is nothing.

You obviously don't know much about statistics either, as the only one on that list that you could argue as being an outlier is Simpson. /quote]

That is pretty sad if you are now comparing Rupp to riders in the peloton.

I know exactly what an outlier is statistically, and if you want to create a distribution of all runners tested by USADA (or even of just national team members), 15 tests will clearly be an outlier. Simpson's two tests actually may not be given the right-skewed distribution created by "hyper-tested" athletes like Rupp.

Please show me other US distance runners tested 15 times in the first three quarters of 2014.

obviously he will get tested more because he competed in more races where he HAD to be tested... if it ain't out-of-season testing, it means NOTHING.

It's purely because he's the obvious top dog. They are looking for changes in multiple "natural" hormones, etc. For example, if his EPO levels skydive or shoot up, there's suspicion. Same with testosterone to epitestosterone ratio.

Can people please stop spewing nonsense they just come up with on the spot?