the put wrote:
it's at the tail end of the prime range for running. just look at the WRs. he's at the HM and MAR age now. it's time to move up. he has nothing left to achieve at 10K and below.
There's no such thing as a prime age for a particular race
Discus wrote:
The Angel Of Death wrote:You can't really knock him for not running an outdoor 5k PR last year considering 2 races had sub 13 performances (one of which he ran 13:00.99 to boot, only a second off of the winner)p and on,y 4 men managed to do so. Keep in mind he was competitive in all the races he ran last year - the worst he finished in a DL 5000 was 4th. Solinsky, Tegenkamp, and Ritz were not in contention when they ran their PRs. Saying Rupp's 5000 performances last year show "stagnation" is disingenuous and without context. Furthermore,
Rupp ran outdoor PRs in the 10k and 1500 last year, so your claim on "stagnation" outdoors based on his 5,000 times alone is seriously misguided.
He went into his races with the clear goal of running fast, was aware of the pace and did not perform. One could argue that his 10K PR's and 1500M PR's were races that were a long time coming, and indicative from the shape he was in when he ran his times during the winter.
How do you know what his goals were?
U. R. Presumptuous wrote:
Discus wrote:He went into his races with the clear goal of running fast, was aware of the pace and did not perform. One could argue that his 10K PR's and 1500M PR's were races that were a long time coming, and indicative from the shape he was in when he ran his times during the winter.
How do you know what his goals were?
Didn't Salazar somewhere state that they went into 2014 with the hope of running fast? 2014 being a non-championship year and all?
Discus wrote:
Last year was indicative that running well indoors does not necessarily correlate with better performances in the outdoor season. Yes, he ran faster in the 10K, but I felt that all of his 5K performances stagnated. He has run 12:58 and has yet to run sub-13 since then. His consistency is evident, but he has yet to show 5K times that are even comparable to Chris Solinsky, Ritzenhein, Lagat. Even Tegenkamp's PR rivals him.
Is the Saladbar crew doing anything that indicates an increase in performance as the year progresses? Or are we going to see relatively stable times the entire year?
Right now Rupp only has a 10K medal, and has yet to run any times that truly set him apart from the rest of the competition.
The only indoor meet that I've heard Rupp is running is at the end of the month with the stab at the 2 mile WR, so maybe he'll be focusing less on indoors this year.
Something to keep in mind is that there's a world of difference between running on an indoor track, with spot on pacing and perfect weather conditions, and outdoor track, where the pacing is usually not ideal for sub 13 and weather is almost never ideal. Rupp had a bad race at the meet where pacing was good to go far under 13. All of the other ones came down to kick in the low 13 range.
Discus wrote:
Last year was indicative that running well indoors does not necessarily correlate with better performances in the outdoor season. Yes, he ran faster in the 10K, but I felt that all of his 5K performances stagnated. He has run 12:58 and has yet to run sub-13 since then. His consistency is evident, but he has yet to show 5K times that are even comparable to Chris Solinsky, Ritzenhein, Lagat. Even Tegenkamp's PR rivals him.
Is the Saladbar crew doing anything that indicates an increase in performance as the year progresses? Or are we going to see relatively stable times the entire year?
Right now Rupp only has a 10K medal, and has yet to run any times that truly set him apart from the rest of the competition.
Anyone who uses "discus" on here is a pathetic f'tard loser who thinks they are funny. Go back to your moms basement where you belong.
The Angel Of Death wrote:
You can't really knock him for not running an outdoor 5k PR last year considering 2 races had sub 13 performances (one of which he ran 13:00.99 to boot, only a second off of the winner)p and on,y 4 men managed to do so. Keep in mind he was competitive in all the races he ran last year - the worst he finished in a DL 5000 was 4th. Solinsky, Tegenkamp, and Ritz were not in contention when they ran their PRs.
C'mon! Ritzenhein's AR performance was incredible. For one wild, fleeting moment he actually made me believe that he could reel Bekele in. That was a great and competitive run. Agreed on all other points though; I'm actually a Rupp fan.
Retardalert.. wrote:
Discus wrote:Last year was indicative that running well indoors does not necessarily correlate with better performances in the outdoor season. Yes, he ran faster in the 10K, but I felt that all of his 5K performances stagnated. He has run 12:58 and has yet to run sub-13 since then. His consistency is evident, but he has yet to show 5K times that are even comparable to Chris Solinsky, Ritzenhein, Lagat. Even Tegenkamp's PR rivals him.
Is the Saladbar crew doing anything that indicates an increase in performance as the year progresses? Or are we going to see relatively stable times the entire year?
Right now Rupp only has a 10K medal, and has yet to run any times that truly set him apart from the rest of the competition.
Anyone who uses "discus" on here is a pathetic f'tard loser who thinks they are funny. Go back to your moms basement where you belong.
Cry harder and go back to your college dorm room kid.
Discus wrote:
U. R. Presumptuous wrote:How do you know what his goals were?
Didn't Salazar somewhere state that they went into 2014 with the hope of running fast? 2014 being a non-championship year and all?
Are you suggesting he didn't run fast? Are you serious?
Helloooooo? wrote:
Discus wrote:Didn't Salazar somewhere state that they went into 2014 with the hope of running fast? 2014 being a non-championship year and all?
Are you suggesting he didn't run fast? Are you serious?
Let me clarify for those that are intellectually impaired.
"Running a 5K PR?"
Discus wrote:
Helloooooo? wrote:Are you suggesting he didn't run fast? Are you serious?
Let me clarify for those that are intellectually impaired.
"Running a 5K PR?"
I see no previous mention of a 5k PR by you in this series of quotes. So just because I cannot read your mind, I'm now "intellectually impaired"?
Weren't you the one who said he hasn't run fast or accomplished anything despite him medaling in the international stage? And I'm intellectually impaired?
Idiots...All you guys do is adore Rupp. He still can't run with or KICK with the Africans/Mo Farah despite having the best coach in the world
givememoore wrote:
Idiots...All you guys do is adore Rupp. He still can't run with or KICK with the Africans/Mo Farah despite having the best coach in the world
Yeah...he sucked in the Olympics.
Discus wrote:
Helloooooo? wrote:Are you suggesting he didn't run fast? Are you serious?
Let me clarify for those that are intellectually impaired.
"Running a 5K PR?"
He PRd In the 10000. In that race he soundly defeated Tanui ans Karoki. He ran several good 5000s and came closer to winning those than the year before. Seemed like a good outdoor campaign. A 5k PR would have been nice too. It is not his best event and he was highly competitive so it's hard to say he stagnated.
Maybe he gets one this year.
Oh. You sure? Ok, nevermind.
The Angel Of Death wrote:
You can't really knock him for not running an outdoor 5k PR last year considering 2 races had sub 13 performances (one of which he ran 13:00.99 to boot, only a second off of the winner)p and on,y 4 men managed to do so. Keep in mind he was competitive in all the races he ran last year - the worst he finished in a DL 5000 was 4th. Solinsky, Tegenkamp, and Ritz were not in contention when they ran their PRs. Saying Rupp's 5000 performances last year show "stagnation" is disingenuous and without context. Furthermore,
Rupp ran outdoor PRs in the 10k and 1500 last year, so your claim on "stagnation" outdoors based on his 5,000 times alone is seriously misguided.
This. I can't stand when people take race times out of context. He was clearly on a different level this year than any other year before.
Discus wrote:
U. R. Presumptuous wrote:Rupp in an interview after USA s said that his goal for diamond league 5,000s was to be competitive and that if times came great but if not oh well
How do you know what his goals were?
Didn't Salazar somewhere state that they went into 2014 with the hope of running fast? 2014 being a non-championship year and all?
Can't believe Jesse is still getting traction with this. At least he's being a bit more subtle with this incarnation by not referencing that bloomin' ceiling which kept magically rising.
I just really want to see Rupp move up to the Marathon soon. I honestly think he should start the transition now so as to be ready for Rio cause' that will realistically be his last Olympics before he's too old to win a medal at ANY distance, not just on the track.
Not that I'm saying it's impossible for someone to win an Olympic medal in the marathon at 33 (Rupp's age in 2020), Wilson Kipsang for example is 32 right now and he's, well, Kipsang. Meb also was 37 when he placed 4th in London and I would be extremely surprised if Rupp turns out to be a slower marathoner then him (Rupp already has a faster half-marathon PB from what I would describe as an experimental outing). That being said, with how long it can take to really nail-down the marathon, the earlier Rupp starts the better.
Discus wrote:
And the times he has run are very good, I don't think I said they were bad. But where are the sub 26:30's, 12:50's, 7:25's, 3:48's that can put him on par with truly the best?
I lol'ed.
Three men, IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD, have run under 26:30.
Two men, IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD, have run under 7:25.
No man, IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD, has done both.
So you're basically asking the following question: why hasn't Rupp become the greatest (or on par with the greatest) distance runner of all-time? Is that correct?
If he continues to let Al Sal make him do those ridiculous training sessions after races then yes
RIP: D3 All-American Frank Csorba - who ran 13:56 in March - dead
RENATO can you talk about the preparation of Emile Cairess 2:06
Running for Bowerman Track Club used to be cool now its embarrassing
Great interview with Steve Cram - says Jakob has no chance of WRs this year
Hats off to my dad. He just ran a 1:42 Half Marathon and turns 75 in 2 months!