I hear Emma Coburns Steeple AR will not be ratified....

Wow, crazy Isn't the USATF an advocate of the USA athlete? How many American Records do they need to keep track of? A couple a year?

I would think they would do whatever to help the athlete and promote our runners. Confusing for sure. Feel bad for Emma......

malmo wrote:

TrackCoach wrote:

It could be that one of the steeples was in the wrong position,.

What the heck is a "steeple"?

obstacle, barrier, hurdle as in the thing they jump over

TrackCoach wrote:

malmo wrote:

What the heck is a "steeple"?

obstacle, barrier, hurdle as in the thing they jump over

Barriers are not called steeples.

malmo wrote:

TrackCoach wrote:

obstacle, barrier, hurdle as in the thing they jump over

Barriers are not called steeples.

Then why do they chase them?

The official name for the "barriers" is standards.

The Athletes jump over standards in a steeplechase.

malmo wrote:

TrackCoach wrote:

obstacle, barrier, hurdle as in the thing they jump over

Barriers are not called steeples.

So, are you calling for the steeplechase to be renamed a more appropriate barrier-hurdles? The steeplechase is named for a cross-country that was run from one town steeple to another steeple. The modern steeplechase is no longer cross-country, and the steeples are now forgotten.

weird wrote:

When she gets second at a DL British meet, runs the 2 or 3 fastest time of the year in the world, and the entire broadcast was about her going after the AR, then yes I'd assume they would care about it. It's not like she set the NR for Lithuania or other no name country. If Justin Gaitlin ran the AR at a DL you can be sure someone would care.

Yeah, his agent would care. And he would have known to get him a drug test at the meet.

Haven't read whole thread, but with the biological passport in place, wouldn't it be less necessary for a test immediately after the event?

umm umm umm wrote:

Haven't read whole thread, but with the biological passport in place, wouldn't it be less necessary for a test immediately after the event?

Not at all, the bio passport doesn't replace all other tests. There are lots of stimulants and things she could have tested positive for that would have been out of her system.

Barrier Chase wrote:

malmo wrote:

Barriers are not called steeples.

So, are you calling for the steeplechase to be renamed a more appropriate barrier-hurdles? The steeplechase is named for a cross-country that was run from one town steeple to another steeple. The modern steeplechase is no longer cross-country, and the steeples are now forgotten.

Besides being wrong, what is the relevance of your post? The etymology of the name of the event is unrelated to the name of the barriers. Period. Full stop.

The steeplechase was a cross country horse race, named that way because the town steeple was the distant sight marker to the finishline. At some point some geniuses decided it would be fun to imitate the steeplchase in a footrace. They had so much fun they decided to introduce the steeplechase as a track event. The rest is history.

Please, whatever you do, don't call the barriers 'steeples' unless you want a 'thon' of well-deserved ridicule and laughter to follow you.

cool kid wrote:

The official name for the "barriers" is standards.

The Athletes jump over standards in a steeplechase.

No they don't -- steeplechase barriers are called hurdles. The barrier to hat has a waterpit next to it is called, surprisingly enough, the waterjump.

coburn's twitter page now has the AR time in a big photo statement - I think it was something else before.

https://twitter.com/emmajcoburn

I really feel for her. Although other posters are right - if this had been a russian or Turk who skipped out of drug testing, we would be all over it with accusations.

That isn't a new pic

TrackCoach wrote:

TrackCoach wrote:

It could be that one of the steeples was in the wrong position, I doubt it is doping controls because they test a random group of athletes at every DL meet. Perhaps it might that she specifically has to be tested for a record. Btw, there are a lot of records that are not ratified right away, therefore it could just be timing.

If she wasn't in the testing pool someone in her camp should have requested a drug test, which is what they had to do when Webb set the American mile record. Also, most meet directors know ahead of time when there is a record attempt and will make sure everything is in order. Perhaps they don't do this for every country, but I know that they do it for some. I know Mo has been tested at all of his UK records.

I'm with you on this- even without an agent, surely SOMEONE (if not her, then one of her coaches, fellow athletes, etc.) should have known that she needed to be drug tested. PLUS it's not like she got the record out of the blue, they were talking about her going after it ALL season.

malmo wrote:

cool kid wrote:

The official name for the "barriers" is standards.

The Athletes jump over standards in a steeplechase.

No they don't -- steeplechase barriers are called hurdles. The barrier to hat has a waterpit next to it is called, surprisingly enough, the waterjump.

Why are you always getting into these pointless semantic arguments?

too bad wrote:

Wow, crazy Isn't the USATF an advocate of the USA athlete? How many American Records do they need to keep track of? A couple a year?

I would think they would do whatever to help the athlete and promote our runners. Confusing for sure. Feel bad for Emma......

I think we all agree that the USATF is inept, but that also means that it shouldn't come as a surprise that they wouldn't have reminded/facilitated Emma getting a drug test.

This isn't some obscure rule. Even with a GREAT governing agency (which, again, the USATF clearly is not), I still think that athletes should bear some responsibility in being informed of the basic rules of their sport.

Steeplechaise wrote:

malmo wrote:

No they don't -- steeplechase barriers are called hurdles. The barrier to hat has a waterpit next to it is called, surprisingly enough, the waterjump.

Why are you always getting into these pointless semantic arguments?

Excuse me? it's not a pointless semantic argument. The self-proclaimed "TrackCoach" called the barrier a "steeple". A barrier is not a steeple anymore than wheel is an airplane. Perhaps it will save him some embarrassment in the future ,,,probably not.

BooraBoora wrote:

too bad wrote:

Wow, crazy Isn't the USATF an advocate of the USA athlete? How many American Records do they need to keep track of? A couple a year?

I would think they would do whatever to help the athlete and promote our runners. Confusing for sure. Feel bad for Emma......

I think we all agree that the USATF is inept, but that also means that it shouldn't come as a surprise that they wouldn't have reminded/facilitated Emma getting a drug test.

This isn't some obscure rule. Even with a GREAT governing agency (which, again, the USATF clearly is not), I still think that athletes should bear some responsibility in being informed of the basic rules of their sport.

It's not the USATF's responsibility to hold Coburn's hand or read the rule book for her. If there is no doping control at the meet, then she should have notified WADA. She is in a unique situation, in that her time stands, just as it would for any other performance at a meet without testing, but her time won't be ratified as the official American record. Confusing, yes.

Yep, I 100% agree.