It's ironic that Paula talks about lifetime bans, but she was 3 minutes faster than massive doper Shobukhova?

Only Paula had the Brojo Mojo. Wejo magick. Her dreams became reality.

Not Wejo wrote:

Only Paula had the Brojo Mojo. Wejo magick. Her dreams became reality.

It's simple, Paula passes the Brojo hot blond test so she gets to pass Go and collect $200.

If Paula had dark skin she would be on a LetsRun most wanted list.

I really hope the full list of ALL names is published soon...

ventolin^3 wrote:

err..

i've watched every race since '81 or whenever it started

err..

You watch, you calculate, you spew your idiocy on Letsrun.

Do you run at all, fool?

Do you know the pain that comes from an all-out effort, peabrain?

Do you know what it is like to talk to people in a civilized way, ventster?

Seriously...

lolpod wrote:You watch, you calculate

yes

as any thing more evolved than an ameoba woud do

do you ?

you spew your idiocy on Letsrun

err...

i post unbiased opinions with best facts i have at hand & those facts include watching lotta races

Do you run at all, fool?

not 1'39 or 3'24, but i do run

what on earth has that got to do with anything ???

Do you know the pain that comes from an all-out effort, peabrain?

hmmm...

i see morons out in force

explain to the audience whatever answer i coud offer to this woud impact on cognitive function ?!

if you want an example of all-out effort, go watch the physical reaction of ancient holmes after he'd survived a pummelling for 12 rounds from holyfield

watching that live on tv will be instructive to you kid, on what is an "all-out effort"

It appears that someone got a meds break for the holidays.

'Defar, Dibaba's, Florence Kiplagat, Mary Keitany...all of them have a ceiling, 2:17.'

If Dibaba or Defar had concentrated on marathons at her peak they could have run 2:15. They also like to sit and kick as well you need an EA who is a front runner like Paula

Wang Junxia ran 1500m in 3:51 you can't do that and be a top marathon runner as Mo has shown. They were focused on the track and did marathons as an after thought

The men have only just knocked 2 mins other WR, apart from Paula the women have not caught up yet

This does not prove she was not doping but other women should be running 2:15

Bekele's 5 and 10 times are equivalent to much faster than the current mens marathon record. The problem with much of the debate is the reference points are wrong.

26.30 = 2.01 29.30 = 2.14.

Rojo,If you google search the forum (e.g. "arrs paula wind"), Paula got quite a lot of discussion earlier this year, where I posted some of the "wind advantage" data from the ARRS in several different threads, with other supporting links:- For London 2003, the ARRS computed a 1m45 overall benefit for the women (compare that to ARRS estimate for windy 2011 Boston: 1m42 for the women and 1m37 for the men)- The 1m45 is an average of all (about 20 women) elite performances, not just Paula- There was a good wind coming from the southeast- If I recall, the women started at 9:00 and the men started later at 9:45.- Starting temperature was 10 deg C, and rose 6 deg during the dayFor example, here:http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?board=1&thread=5762555&id=5763704"By my rough count, a wind coming from the east (or south east) would help for 14 miles, would hinder for 7 (3 of which are downhill at the beginning), and is ambiguous for the rest."Even Paula thought the wind helped her:"We got a good day. It was a bit windy but it seemed the wind was behind us more than it was in front of us."http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/athletics/london_marathon_2003/2943913.stmHere's a discussion where your brother asked similar questions about the ARRS with data for other marathons (e.g. Chicago 2002):http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=5667848&page=2If you poke around long arrs.net long enough, the arrs (Ken Young) even did extensive wind analysis, coupled with different start/finish differences, which help explain why London can have a great advantage with the right wind (also arguing why relaxing the start/finish separation rule to 50% was a bad idea). Their link is broken, but it also appears (should point to?) here:http://www.roadracingstats.com/article_wind.htm

rojo wrote:

HardLoper wrote:

So, if the rest of the world had this same depth, the world record would be about 2:15:30 - and that's still not accounting for the tailwind in London 2003, which ARRS says was worth even more over a flat course than Boston 2011.

Hard loper, a great analysis.

Can you email what you mean by ARRS and the wind-aided stuff? I don't see how the wind could be a huge deal in London.

London is a records-eligible course. It does start farther east than west (maybe 5-6 miles worth) and it finishes a little north or where it start, but the wind doesn't seem that crazy for that day.

http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/EGLL/2003/4/13/MonthlyHistory.html?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA

If she got 10 mph for 6 miles, maybe that's what 30 seconds?

Does anyone know what time the 2003 race started?