It's ironic that Paula talks about lifetime bans, but she was 3 minutes faster than massive doper Shobukhova?

Get some new material man. Previous trolls have already done this topic.

Wrong.

The last few years, Kenyans had unrestricted access to EPO/CERA etc through the pharmacy in Nairobi Hilton. Couple that with nonexistent out of competition testing and you got ideal conditions.

Yet they still weren't able to come close to Paulas record. Shows just how far superior genetics and work ethics get you in life.

I believe she does have frozen samples, does she not?

Since you have this earth shattering evidence she did dope, perhaps you can share it with authorities and they can re-test?

The other guy! wrote:

Yet they still weren't able to come close to Paulas record. Shows just how far superior genetics and work ethics get you in life.

Great. A dumb genetics argument.

asdrv wrote:

I believe she does have frozen samples, does she not?

Since you have this earth shattering evidence she did dope, perhaps you can share it with authorities and they can re-test?

Be careful what you wish for. This is one of the ways that the fire started to get hot under Lance.

What folks don't seem to get is that race samples probably are clean. Elite runners need to worry about only a handful of events. They can stop weeks ahead of the event and be "clean." Out of comp testing doesn't happen enough. Be interesting to see how often she was tested.

The other guy! wrote:

Wrong.

The last few years, Kenyans had unrestricted access to EPO/CERA etc through the pharmacy in Nairobi Hilton. Couple that with nonexistent out of competition testing and you got ideal conditions.

Yet they still weren't able to come close to Paulas record. Shows just how far superior genetics and work ethics get you in life.

Second this. As posted on another thread, lets assume the top 10 all-time ALL doped, including Paula. She's still 3 min faster. If only the Africans (men included) worked as hard as she did and had the medical support- sub 2:00 might be realistic ( her 2:15 equates to 1:59 for a man, btw).

The other guy! wrote:

Wrong.

The last few years, Kenyans had unrestricted access to EPO/CERA etc through the pharmacy in Nairobi Hilton. Couple that with nonexistent out of competition testing and you got ideal conditions.

Yet they still weren't able to come close to Paulas record. Shows just how far superior genetics and work ethics get you in life.

But I thought the Kenyans have the best genes for distance running. No?

Is the royal genes even superior to the best Kenyan genes?

Where is the irony?

If she talked about lifetime bans and her talking about it lead to an investigation on her where they found use of PEDs and they took her record and banned her for life - that would be ironic.

But her talking about bans and being a lot faster than a doper is not ironic.

Maybe she was a doper but unless and until it's confirmed there's no irony.

I don't think Paula was a cheat. She was a wealthy woman who could afford altitude getaways, tents, and more physio than any other known person. That's all legal.

She was smart and tough and built up to the marathon in a perfect way...a world junior XC champ, an excellent 10K runner who just lacked a kick.

She had a high pain threshold. The last NYC marathon she ran, finishing a close third., was virtually on one leg. She was crippled after it.

Despite everything people say about East Africans, she was the one with the perfect youthful upcoming, temperament, and toughness to be a great marathoner.

If someone who runs the marathon in 2,40 is found guilty of doping, does that automatically mean that everyone who is faster is automatically on drugs.

oh please wrote:

asdrv wrote:

I believe she does have frozen samples, does she not?

Since you have this earth shattering evidence she did dope, perhaps you can share it with authorities and they can re-test?

Be careful what you wish for. This is one of the ways that the fire started to get hot under Lance.

What folks don't seem to get is that race samples probably are clean. Elite runners need to worry about only a handful of events. They can stop weeks ahead of the event and be "clean." Out of comp testing doesn't happen enough. Be interesting to see how often she was tested.

This is just braindead BS. You have no idea how often they are tested out of comp. You´re just talking out of your ass.

I want to believe Paula is and was clean, and I do.

Still, theoretically speaking, if one really had accomplished an untouchable record using illegal means XYZ, their fame would only grow if others were deterred from ever using XYZ again. Pushing for stricter punishments is one way to accomplish that.

oh please wrote:

asdrv wrote:

I believe she does have frozen samples, does she not?

Since you have this earth shattering evidence she did dope, perhaps you can share it with authorities and they can re-test?

Be careful what you wish for. This is one of the ways that the fire started to get hot under Lance.

What folks don't seem to get is that race samples probably are clean. Elite runners need to worry about only a handful of events. They can stop weeks ahead of the event and be "clean." Out of comp testing doesn't happen enough. Be interesting to see how often she was tested.

So in other words, you have nothing worthwhile to add..

Thanks, your contribution to the discourse was wonderful.

I don't think Lance was a cheat. He was a wealthy man who could afford altitude getaways, tents, and more physio than any other known person. That's all legal.He was smart and tough and built up to the TdF in a perfect way...a world road race champ, an excellent triathlete who just lacked a maturity & strength.He had a high pain threshold. The last TdF marathon he rode, finishing a close third with no support from his team. Despite everything people say about Belgians and Spanish riders, he was the one with the perfect youthful upcoming, temperament, and toughness to be a great cyclist.

Hey Ya wrote:

I don't think Paula was a cheat. She was a wealthy woman who could afford altitude getaways, tents, and more physio than any other known person. That's all legal.

She was smart and tough and built up to the marathon in a perfect way...a world junior XC champ, an excellent 10K runner who just lacked a kick.

She had a high pain threshold. The last NYC marathon she ran, finishing a close third., was virtually on one leg. She was crippled after it.

Despite everything people say about East Africans, she was the one with the perfect youthful upcoming, temperament, and toughness to be a great marathoner.

It all depends on whether you think you can deduce doping from the times someone runs.

The proposition that you can deduce that Paula was doping from the times she ran is an unproven and probably unproveable hypothesis.

In the absence of any specific proof or any proven scientific principle, you can make all the assertions you want, but there's no reason anyone should believe them.

The other other guy! wrote:

( her 2:15 equates to 1:59 for a man, btw).

Last time I checked, the stopwatch does not run faster for women athletes. 2h 15 for the marathon is 2h 15 whatever the sex or age of the athlete that runs it.

She is damned if she does and damned if she doesn't.

Silence on doping from her would be even worse I think.

Constant commenting isn't much better, but probably slightly.

I certainly don't know if she did or didn't but she probably cannot avoid suspicion, just goes with the territory.

Lance was on drugs so, consequently, Paula has to be on drugs too. You´re not very smart, are you?

The other guy! wrote:

Wrong.

The last few years, Kenyans had unrestricted access to EPO/CERA etc through the pharmacy in Nairobi Hilton. Couple that with nonexistent out of competition testing and you got ideal conditions.

Yet they still weren't able to come close to Paulas record. Shows just how far superior genetics and work ethics get you in life.

So, for you, there's no access to EPO/CERA in Great Britain?