classic video wrote:
You must be a newbie and wasn't a around when Letsrun had discussion of this classic Flotrack video in '07 (go to about 8:15 to the end):
http://www.flotrack.org/coverage/105-2007-Pre-National-Cross-Country-Meet/video/5156-Womens-White-Race#.VHIQ4PnF-So
Facilitated by middle aged guys wanting to get their hands on a coed.
Ok, here's the classic thread/video:
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=2172408&page=0
This is more common among the not so sure on their future place on the team, hence we don't see it as much in the first minutes. Let's say you're number four or five on your team and the girl (from another team) in front of you collapses - if you don't collapse too you might have to face a coach that will question whether or not you gave it your all to catch that girl, and no way do you don't want the coach to leave the comp with that impression - so subconsciously or not (it really doesn't matter), mimicing the behaviour of those around you, you collapse too.
For the same reason, in cross country skiing, it's even more common during the relays than during individual races.
Peter Andersson wrote:
This is more common among the not so sure on their future place on the team, hence we don't see it as much in the first minutes. Let's say you're number four or five on your team and the girl (from another team) in front of you collapses - if you don't collapse too you might have to face a coach that will question whether or not you gave it your all to catch that girl, and no way do you don't want the coach to leave the comp with that impression - so subconsciously or not (it really doesn't matter), mimicing the behaviour of those around you, you collapse too.
For the same reason, in cross country skiing, it's even more common during the relays than during individual races.
Do those in their final year not also drop like flies?
Gary Oldman wrote:
Do those in their final year not also drop like flies?
Good point - My guess is by that time is has become habitual!
Chicks are pvssies
The Patriarchy wrote:
Chicks are pvssies
And let us all as real men collapse on our knees and thank God for that! ;-)
Not a newbie. It was over the top and confirmed by Rojo who's seen his share of races. Juxtapositioned with footage of the winner Avery, who looked like she just took a walk to the Post box, it was even more remarkable!If my wife saw this footage, she'd say "See, that is why I don't run!". C'est pas normale.
You must be a newbie and wasn't a around when Letsrun had discussion of this classic Flotrack video in '07 (go to about 8:15 to the end):
Someone who is collapsing uncontrollably doesn't get to decide where they want to collapse. If a person is legitimately overcome by exhaustion, they are just as likely to collapse 5 meters before the finish line as 5 meters after. Yet somehow, the vast majority of collapsers collapse immediately after finishing.
I can think of two possible reasons for this: 1) All of these girls are such expert pacers that they meter out their energy so perfectly that the step over the finish line is the last step they are physically capable of taking. 2) They are just being dramatic. Option number two seems more likely to me.
I told my non running friend Friday that the women would run hard all the way, and the men would jog along and wait for the kick.
She said, wow, that's exactly what happened, which was no surprise as this happens quite a bit. The unusual thing was that a lot of the men were sitting down after participating in their jogfest. I told my friend that the men's race was embarrassing, and she agreed.
Gotta be the anorexia and or lost sleep from nerves before the biggest race of your life. I think the cold air in your lungs also limits oxygen
I've gotta agree that body fat plays some part. It's possible the girls are more depleted than the men even if both ran equally hard.
Rojo calls the men's race pace a joke, yet I saw plenty of the men 'collapsing' at the finish also. Not sure why we're just calling out the women especially since there has never been a faster women's race here?
I guess I get it now; guys just do not get it.
One idiot formed exactly the wrong conclusion - girls collapse and guys almost never do, so girls are weaker. Horse shit, guys just cannot drive themselves to the point of extreme exhaustion, they do not have the guts to push the little extra bit at the finish and they are backing off rather than risking getting in to that state. And women do it in the team sports, because they are doing it for the team, which is the extra impetus to drive harder. Almost all the women actually make it to the line and many more collapse at that point then men because they have pushed themselves harder.
So, it is the GUYS THAT ARE WIMPS, not the women!
xenonscreams wrote:
I dont get it wrote:I can see being extremely fatigued. How do you get to a place where your legs dont work in a 6k race? There has to be something else going on there
There probably is something else going on but that doesn't mean it's terrible. Have you ever run a race after being really sick all week, for example? Last time I tried that I collapsed at the finish and couldn't walk for the next two days because my legs got so much fluid in them. It was an XC 6K
almost certainly not a made up story at all
I was at the finish line of Griak this year and I saw girls collapsing left and right after the races. Latex-gloved medical workers would just grab them and haul them into the medical tent, either tossing them directly in an icebath or laying them out on a table.
Seemed to be more common in the D2/D3 races, so maybe it's a fitness thing. Seems more likely to be drama queen shenanigans though. If they really are "digging deep," why don't pro women collapse left and right at the Olympics? Surely they'd be digging even deeper.
It is what it is wrote:
classic video wrote:You must be a newbie and wasn't a around when Letsrun had discussion of this classic Flotrack video in '07 (go to about 8:15 to the end):
http://www.flotrack.org/coverage/105-2007-Pre-National-Cross-Country-Meet/video/5156-Womens-White-Race#.VHIQ4PnF-SoFacilitated by middle aged guys wanting to get their hands on a coed.
Part of the problem is the workers grabbing the runners just after finishing. They are probably falling over because their tired and someone is grabbing them fairly forcefully, like Bill Cosby.
Ape man wrote:
No, it's not normal. The runners in question are overly dramatic. Drama like this has been made to seem noble by social media and outlets like the Today Show, which do there best publicize any event involving even the least bit of self sacrifice. Personally, I like to see people act with dignity at the end of races. Act like you've been there before. It isn't war, no one is going to die from a cross country race.
It happens to men also. It happens to the greats in our sport. Look at Galen Rupp and Ben Blankenship Nike / Oregon TC Elite in Mens 3000m - USA Indoor Track and Field Championships 2014. They are on the track after a 3km.
http://www.usatf.tv/gprofile.php?mgroup_id=45365&mgroup_event_id=25&year=2014&do=videos&video_id=106069.
Especially during long races - For example: Matt Llano from Northern Arizona Elite was in 6th place at the 2014 Chicago Marathon when he hit the proverbial wall and went from running 4:48 per mile to 5:15 per mile for a few miles and was left by his USA compondre Bobby Curtis. Matt Llano said it was the first time it happened to him.
For months before the race, they'd run multiple 20+ mile runs. They are trained by USA's best coaches for road racing and elite distance running out of Flagstaff, Arizona and Portland, Oregon.
It is not a matter of talent or heart or pacing, but sometimes your lactate levels rise so high, your body is not able to clear. The increased level of stress the body creates a flood of lactic acid and the organs shut down due to an inability to handle is those levels of stress.