"Again, my simple statement is that EPO is unproven for elite athletes at longer distances."
A number of race walkers have been caught for EPO positives. Are they using EPO if it isn't performance enhancing or is EPO somehow beneficial if you race walk 50 k, but not if you run 4,2 k?
The Champ wrote:
Do you think Asbel Kiprop is too moral to cheat? Do you think his doctor/agents are holding back? We're talking about a guy who has pistol whipped people unconscious and threatened to kill/abused his wife.
Roid rage?
The B never comes back positive. Too much Nike money on the line.
rhymes with colt wrote:
These sorts of stories shouldn't be published unless the B comes back positive.
The fact that the B Sample hasn't come back positive (yet), is a clear sign that it is not her fault. Again, she probably trusted someone she should not have trusted.
Should she get banned? Yes. But should she be robbed of her prize money or not be able to perform her job? No way.
It would be fair to institute a redacted 6 months ban on her, which would make her eligible for the spring season 2015.
Think about it - did you never make a mistake?
Canova Fan wrote:
The fact that the B Sample hasn't come back positive (yet), is a clear sign that it is not her fault. Again, she probably trusted someone she should not have trusted.
Should she get banned? Yes. But should she be robbed of her prize money or not be able to perform her job? No way.
It would be fair to institute a redacted 6 months ban on her, which would make her eligible for the spring season 2015.
Think about it - did you never make a mistake?
I never made the mistake of cheating to get $500,000 and then getting caught
Rita Jeptoo cheated but if the B sample is negative or inconclusive, she keeps the money.
She's not going to get away with 6 months. The only way to get away with 6 months would be to rat out her Italian coaches, to spill the beans. They'll probably pay her to remain quiet.
'( contrary to your belief, these guys do have some basic speed & will do some work for it even when training for M )'
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Who said they didn't do any speedwork
55.0 / 12'50 ->
3'39.2
7'32.0
26'25.3
55.0 / 12'45 ->
3'38.5
7'29.6
26'12.6 !!
56.0 / 12'50 ->
3'41.0
7'33.6
26'18.5
56.0 / 12'45 ->
3'40.2
7'31.2
26'05.7 !!!
you don't seem to have the clue that you can be around 3'40 but can still smash the 10k wr off good enough endurance'
Nonsense, especially your 1500m and 3000m times - you know nothing about running. They don't fit in with times athletes actually run
ukathleticscoach wrote:
Nonsense, especially your 1500m and 3000m times - you know nothing about running. They don't fit in with times athletes actually run
Bingo!
Bump
ukathleticscoach wrote:Nonsense, especially your 1500m and 3000m times - you know nothing about running. They don't fit in with times athletes actually run
fool
you haven't a clue what a 2"02+ M guy coud run for 1500/3k, same as if mo had run the 5k in monaco '13 as expected instead of 1500, you'd be drivelling on about him being a 3'33.9 guy to this day
Canova Fan wrote:
The fact that the B Sample hasn't come back positive (yet), is a clear sign that it is not her fault. Again, she probably trusted someone she should not have trusted.
Should she get banned? Yes. But should she be robbed of her prize money or not be able to perform her job? No way.
It would be fair to institute a redacted 6 months ban on her, which would make her eligible for the spring season 2015.
Think about it - did you never make a mistake?
Some of us work with smaller athletes who are actually CLEAN. They come from the same poverty as Rita and have to overcome the same obstacles. I really find it disgusting that anyone who condone someone STEALING from those athletes who compete fairly. YES, I have "made a mistake." There are people serving life sentences in prison for "making a mistake." Others have received the death penalty. All "mistakes" come with different consequences. I, personally, would love to see the dirty athletes prosecuted for fraud.
ukathleticscoach wrote:Nonsense, especially your 1500m and 3000m times - you know nothing about running. They don't fit in with times athletes actually run
fool
you haven't a clue what a 2"02+ M guy coud run for 1500/3k, same as if mo had run the 5k in monaco '13 as expected instead of 1500, you'd be drivelling on about him being a 3'33.9 guy to this day
Renato Canova wrote:
I'm shocked by this bad news. I was Rita's coach from her beginning, when she was in Italy (1998), 17 only, starting with short distances. She came Italy together with Jonah Koech, the first Kenyan I coached, now living in Iowa, and was a very Young and gracious girl.
When I put her in the first HM, everybody was skeptic about her possibility of success, since her way of running was not the best for long distances, and she was maybe 5-6 kg more heavy than today. She ran 1:12:32, and this showed mental and organical attitudes for long distances.
In 2004, we planned to run her first Marathon at the end of winter season. She went Stockholm at the beginning of June, and won with 2:35:14 with very little training.
Starting the real preparation for Marathon at the end of July, after her first experience, she won Milan in 2:28:11, becoming, also mentally, Marathon runner full time.
We worked together till the end of 2006. She went, through different experiences, till the victory in Boston in 2006 with 2:23:38, when showed her unbelievable mental resistance running the last 12.2 km with the best fourth time, men included (nobody of the first 10 men ran faster than her after 30 km).
She was used to stay in Italy in my house, and the person I know is a nice girl, with good moral principles and big respect for other people (never she spoke in bad way of somebody else), principles given by her parents in her small village near Moi Bridge.
After winning Boston (she prepared in Iten in a camp I created using my personal money, without the intervention of any managements, for helping new athletes and putting together athletes already with me in training before, but living in different villages), her husband decided they were ready for training at home in Mosoriot, and we started to have problems to understand exactly the training situation. For that reason, Rita (with me till 2008, but only more following programs) was no more able to improve (something happening with many kenyan women, when their husband decide to be their coach, with the presumption to know what they don't know).
She had a baby in 2009, but was able to come back in 2011 running in 2:25 at the end of the season in Frankfurt.
After that time, she had several personal problems, and found the solution of many of them thank to Claudio Berardelli and Federico Rosa.
I know Claudio very well, and absolutely don't think possible he is involved in any illegal action in training.
However, also if my position that doping at top level, with the best African runners, doesn't give any advantage, compared with the best possible training, doesn't change, I have to admit that the situation in Kenya during the last 5-6 years changed.
Apparently the Kenyan government doesn't share your assessment of Mr. Barardelli:
http://www.supersport.com/athletics/africa/news/160802/Italian_coach_charged_with_doping_in_Kenya
