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  • typical runner or sockpuppet
    6 years ago 10/20/2014 2:46pm CDT
    re: Just Another Hobby Jogger
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    Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:

    Yeah, Kenyans are so used to those smooth, flat roads in Great Rift Valley, they cannot handle rugged terrains.

    People who live in lowland flats are not dominating flat road races.

    Kenyans do well in flat road races because they are long and lean and live at altitude to develop their aerobic base. Excelling in the hills and obstacles requires a stumpier and more muscular physique. It doesn't matter how many hills the Kenyans run, you can't change your genes. Same thing as Cam Levins. He can run 200 mpw, he's not going to beat the best Kenyans.
  • #YOBRO
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    6 years ago 10/20/2014 3:08pm CDT
    re: crete
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    Sounds like a lot of bitter has beens in this thread. $30k to run just 7:15 pace?

    Looks like all you studs lost out on a payday. Any Kenyan blah blah blah. Easy money bros go get it.
  • george oscar bluth
    6 years ago 10/20/2014 3:15pm CDT
    re: #YOBRO
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    I'm not saying I could do it - I would get waxed. What I am saying is that to state positively that no Kenyan could've been top 5 is hilariously naive. Did they? Obviously not, and congrats to King on the big payday.
  • Mountain Runnerzz
    6 years ago 10/20/2014 4:24pm CDT
    re: road rashed
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    Killian Jornet would have crushed King on this course, don't you think?
  • King is King
    6 years ago 10/20/2014 5:25pm CDT
    re: kinggnot
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    kinggnot wrote:
    Would love to see steeple guys like Gray make the transition to warrior dash.

    Gray's steeple PR is 8:44
    King's steeple PR is 8:30

    Get educated, son.
  • Specific Strength
    6 years ago 10/20/2014 5:39pm CDT
    re: King is King
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    And all of the track boys are used to races with a lot of rhythm on a flat surface. They are the top of a very thin food chain. What makes them great at what they do will make them terrible at something that is the complete opposite.

    The Kenyans with the chicken legs will have a lot of trouble with the constant rhythm changes, extremely steep uphills, mud pits, etc. It's completely different than what they are used to.
  • WDWC2014
    6 years ago 10/20/2014 8:07pm CDT
    re: Specific Strength
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    I will personally pay anyone $100 if you didn't compete this year but think you could beat Max King at this race. All you have to do is write your name here. I will check the results to the 2015 Warrior Dash World Championships around this time next year. If you beat Max (assuming he competes and is healthy), I will mail you a check for $100. Email me at [email protected] if you don't want to list your contact info here. Can't wait to see how naive some people are that his 7:16 was absolutely flying on that course.
  • alj;lfj;lj;kdjka;sjf
    6 years ago 10/20/2014 8:25pm CDT
    re: WDWC2014
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    current 15:00 guy here and let me state that I did a Spartan race last year won by that hobie guy. Namely after my 3rd set of 30 burpees I was getting passed by 20 minute 5k dudes- who justifiably were monsters on the obstacles themselves where I got absolutely murdered.

    As a trackie that has the respect of the world for the Kenyans, they would get SLAUGHTERED doing this.

    Now whoever suggested cheserek though was on to something.

    ALso something tells me that Bekele would be wonderful at it as well...
  • Julia Webb
    6 years ago 10/20/2014 8:30pm CDT
    re: WDWC2014
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    For the record Kimber Mattox ran 9:52 in the prelims this year at USA for her PR..
    I got my a%$ handed to me on the uphills mistakenly trying to keep up w Renee and ran what I would consider a C race compared to what I believe would be capable of (definitely in a much better place physically when I ran 10:02 in the steeple this spring) . For the women I would consider the upper body strength part to be a definite challenge. I didn't do much specific training but I do consider myself stronger than I appear --capable of pull-ups, push-ups , handstands .. The toughest part beyond the insane uphill were the mud pits which if you didn't clear you were literally stuck. . I expect the competition will only increase but beyond the prize money these races are incredibly fun and so much more challenge beyond a road or track race. When I woke up the next morning it felt like I had gotten in a fight .. It still hurts to walk up or down stairs so didn't miss out on the running challenge either.
  • S. Canaday
    Ultramarathoner, Founder Vo2maxProductions
    6 years ago 10/20/2014 10:10pm CDT
    re: Julia Webb
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    Uphills and Mud? Sounds like a mountain race! Seriously though, I'm big fans of Kimber and Max and am happy that some real runners (rather than those bulky cross fit guys) are winning these races and pulling in that kind of money (heck of a lot more than you'd get for any mountain-trail-ultra that's for sure).

    I'd guess the whole talk with the Kenyans (or say any low 8min steeple, sub 13:30 5km type) doing well in these types of races is the same as whether or not a they would do well at the Hardrock 100 miler or a really techy SkyRunning (extreme mountain) race?

    My guess: Some would do really well and annihilate and some would epically fail. It's kind of a mixed bag, but for sure a high Vo2max and running mechanics for steep hills is going to help!
  • Ho Hum
    6 years ago 10/20/2014 10:20pm CDT
    re: Specific Strength
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    Specific Strength wrote:

    And all of the track boys are used to races with a lot of rhythm on a flat surface. They are the top of a very thin food chain. What makes them great at what they do will make them terrible at something that is the complete opposite.

    The Kenyans with the chicken legs will have a lot of trouble with the constant rhythm changes, extremely steep uphills, mud pits, etc. It's completely different than what they are used to.

    Those Kenyans are renowned for pace changes in races, train on hilly dirt roads at altitude, and run insane fartleks every week. If they have trouble with anything, it'll be the cold, especially if those mud pits are cold.

    I don't know why we need to have this discussion about every non-flat event, anyway. Good job to Max King! I'm just glad to see meatheads get crushed at this kind of event.
  • Kenyans are no lock to win
    6 years ago 10/20/2014 10:28pm CDT
    re: #YOBRO
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    #YOBRO wrote:

    Sounds like a lot of bitter has beens in this thread. $30k to run just 7:15 pace?

    Looks like all you studs lost out on a payday. Any Kenyan blah blah blah. Easy money bros go get it.

    Kind of like that argument from several years ago, "what if Kenyan trained for cross-country skiing..." That didn't turn out so well.
  • rupp-certified saladbar
    6 years ago 10/21/2014 1:33am CDT
    re: WDWC2014
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    WDWC2014 wrote:
    I also have a hard time seeing Kenyans winning, too, because the stop-and-go nature of the obstacles would be a complete change from the non-stop constant pace running they're used to.

    Yeah, that's right.

    Kenyans are horrible at events with obstacles and varied paces.

    That is why they are so lousy in championship steeplechases, of course. And they downright stink at the 1500.

    I thought I had read some stupid crap here, but this post damn near takes the cake.
  • rupp-certified saladbar
    6 years ago 10/21/2014 1:41am CDT
    re: Kenyans are no lock to win
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    Kenyans are no lock to win wrote:
    "what if Kenyan trained for cross-country skiing..." That didn't turn out so well.

    Why does this idiot argument keep coming back?

    Learn something. Norwegians and other Nordic/European XC skiing countries have kids on skis from almost as soon as they can walk. Literally they put 2-3 year-olds on XC skis. Try to find me an ethnic Norwegian who hasn't been on skis. It is more common than learning to swim is in the US. Millions and millions of them are raised like this, in countries that value outdoor activities and see XC skiing as a real sport.

    With that competition, half a dozen Kenyans were given skis and a few years to learn the sport as some experiment, IN THEIR 20s, and because none became world-beaters you morons say that was about talent for the sport.

    It is truly shocking how dumb some of you are. Not all, not most, not even man, just the worst 1%. SO DUMB.
  • know-it-all joe
    6 years ago 10/21/2014 2:05am CDT
    re: rupp-certified saladbar
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    rupp-certified saladbar wrote:

    WDWC2014 wrote:
    I also have a hard time seeing Kenyans winning, too, because the stop-and-go nature of the obstacles would be a complete change from the non-stop constant pace running they're used to.

    Yeah, that's right.

    Kenyans are horrible at events with obstacles and varied paces.

    That is why they are so lousy in championship steeplechases, of course. And they downright stink at the 1500.

    I thought I had read some stupid crap here, but this post damn near takes the cake.

    Or cross country.

    Racism is nothing new here, salad bar. Africans are good at the simple things that "they're used to." They can go hard for a long time in a straight line at an even flat pace, then enjoy a homely post-race watermelon. Only the white man can handle the new, complicated nature of the obstacle races.

    Sadly some people here still think that way. It makes me SICK.
  • formerram.
    6 years ago 10/21/2014 2:44am CDT
    re: WDWC2014
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    WDWC2014 wrote:
    I just checked and saw that I beat Austin Baillie, who ran for Colorado from 2002-2005. His 5k PR is almost 3 minutes faster than mine and he has run a 64 half-marathon, so clearly he is much better than me. I have no reason to be beating someone like him, but I specifically train for obstacle course races so that was likely the difference.

    Sure, it could be your specific training that gave you all of your edge over Austin Baillie. It could also be, at least in part, that his 1:04 half was almost five years ago and that he hasn't raced seriously in almost four years, and is simply not in the kind of shape he once was, and only entered the Warrior Dash because his wife did and was a contender for the win.
  • WDWC2014
    6 years ago 10/21/2014 3:31am CDT
    re: formerram.
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    formerram. wrote:

    WDWC2014 wrote:
    I just checked and saw that I beat Austin Baillie, who ran for Colorado from 2002-2005. His 5k PR is almost 3 minutes faster than mine and he has run a 64 half-marathon, so clearly he is much better than me. I have no reason to be beating someone like him, but I specifically train for obstacle course races so that was likely the difference.

    Sure, it could be your specific training that gave you all of your edge over Austin Baillie. It could also be, at least in part, that his 1:04 half was almost five years ago and that he hasn't raced seriously in almost four years, and is simply not in the kind of shape he once was, and only entered the Warrior Dash because his wife did and was a contender for the win.


    I did not realize he did not train competitively anymore and mainly only recognize his name from his impressive half-marathon a few years ago, so I stand corrected. Austin's running accomplishments destroy mine, so I figured he would still be in good shape today since he isn't old. My main point was to show that simply being a great runner doesn't necessarily mean you'd do well in an obstacle course run. Check out this physique comparison of the 6th place guy vs Max King ( https://m.facebook.com/H.McIntyre). There's no way Hunter would be able to hang on with an elite runner if this was strictly a running race, so clearly having muscle helps.

    Also, I met Hobie Call before the race, and he does indeed come off as a little weird. However, the guy consistently places at the top of every race he enters. Sure, his weight vest idea is delusion, but he really is fast, especially at these types of races. Everyone seems to bash him on these forums, so you would think he is a terrible runner. I guarantee 99% of you wouldn't have finished within 2 minutes of him, though.
  • Ukrunr
    6 years ago 10/21/2014 3:49am CDT
    re: The Waterboy
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    None of this BS matters dude just won $30K... props to him
  • quititch
    6 years ago 10/21/2014 6:52am CDT
    re: Ukrunr
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    here's the video. unfortunately, it doesn't really show any of the terrain.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaMVVTgpEn4
  • Beast Mode
    6 years ago 10/21/2014 8:19am CDT
    re: Ukrunr
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    super stoked for max. nice interview at the end of the vid.. 30k is a monster paycheck for someone who is a jack of all traits master of none. his mountain running is very close to the best..
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