go duckies wrote:
Oregon did not run their top 7 so don't award Colorado the NCAAs just yet.
Right, 'cause it was such a squeaker!
Oregon can suck it.
Melancon and Leingang are in the open race right now
Place Athlete Name Time Split Move Points
1 Ryan Manahan
FR - Georgetown 16:04.5 6:39.7 ↑ 7 1
2 Matthew Melancon
JR - Oregon 16:04.9 6:40.3 ↑ 2
3 Silas Frantz
SO - Georgetown 16:05.1 6:40.1 ↑ 11 2
4 Aaron Thomas
FR - North Carolina St. 16:05.2 6:40.0 ↑ 15
5 Jake Leingang
SO - Oregon 16:05.3 6:40.7 ↓ 3
Place Athlete Name Time Split Move Points
1 Matthew Melancon
JR - Oregon 25:11.0 9:06.1 ↑ 1
2 Jake Leingang
SO - Oregon 25:36.1 9:30.9 ↑ 3
So they wouldn't have been top five and will not help Oregon beat Colorado in any way.
Wtfhmmm wrote:
So they wouldn't have been top five and will not help Oregon beat Colorado in any way.
They are gonna need Korelev, Futsum, and Joe Rosa to transfer to Oregon. Or just send Jenkins and Ches to the farm
Wtfhmmm wrote:
So they wouldn't have been top five and will not help Oregon beat Colorado in any way.
You cannot assume that they would not have been top 5 just because they ran slower. It was a different race. They obviously dominated it and were not pushed. Also, I bet the open race was after the varsity-and if it's wet there, you better believe the course was considerably more sloppy (and therefore slow) for their race.
Bulb Not Glowing Brightly wrote:
go duckies wrote:Oregon did not run their top 7 so don't award Colorado the NCAAs just yet.
Right, 'cause it was such a squeaker!
Oregon can suck it.
It must also be considered how the point landscape will change with a bigger field at NCAAs. A first place finish by Cheserek will help more in a larger and higher scoring meet (today the field was small and had no depth). By the same logic, if Oregon's 4 and 5 are well back in the pack they will contribute A LOT of points.
squirrel killer69 wrote:
Wtfhmmm wrote:So they wouldn't have been top five and will not help Oregon beat Colorado in any way.
You cannot assume that they would not have been top 5 just because they ran slower. It was a different race. They obviously dominated it and were not pushed. Also, I bet the open race was after the varsity-and if it's wet there, you better believe the course was considerably more sloppy (and therefore slow) for their race.
Oh just stop with this already. Colorado is a lock for the title unless they lose a bunch of guys to injury. They pushed everyone around today, and the other contenders haven't impressed lately. Oregon, Stanford, and NAU all have problems with their 3-5. Syracuse looked good at Wisco, but their pack is not in the same league with Colorado.
Something that I don't think we're talking about enough, is Ammar Moussa's massive improvement this year.
I never said Colorado isn't the heavy favorite (they absolutely are). I was simply replying to a post that clearly had flawed logic.
pin racer wrote:
Oh just stop with this already. Colorado is a lock for the title unless they lose a bunch of guys to injury. They pushed everyone around today, and the other contenders haven't impressed lately. Oregon, Stanford, and NAU all have problems with their 3-5. Syracuse looked good at Wisco, but their pack is not in the same league
Lol. Colorado might win the title but it is far from a lock. When Colorado does not win next month I don't want to hear it is because so-and-so was sick or injured because ALL teams have to deal with that. If I had a dollar for every favorite that did not win over the last 40 years I'd be $20 richer.
Wtfhmmm wrote:
So they wouldn't have been top five and will not help Oregon beat Colorado in any way.
A number of ducks today were under orders to save it for the meets that count.
The only flawed logic is yours if you are trying to create some sort of scenario where Oregon or anyone else can compete with Colorado. They lost by 56 points. In a race with more runners that number will only go up.
Go duckies wrote:
Lol. Colorado might win the title but it is far from a lock. When Colorado does not win next month I don't want to hear it is because so-and-so was sick or injured because ALL teams have to deal with that. If I had a dollar for every favorite that did not win over the last 40 years I'd be $20 richer.
I will happily bet you $20 on the outcome of NCAAs and allow you a chance to win the money you never saw. This would require me to suspend my policy of not swindling those with obvious signs of mental retardation, but in this case I don't mind.
Did Hurysz get 3rd or 9th? The new updated results say he got 9th but Flotrack and CU's twitter say he got 3rd.
Colorado had 6 guys before Oregon's 3rd.
The two guys for Oregon who ran the open race, what number on the team are they usually?
Go duckies wrote:
Wtfhmmm wrote:So they wouldn't have been top five and will not help Oregon beat Colorado in any way.
A number of ducks today were under orders to save it for the meets that count.
And you think wetmore told the buffs to go all out? CU probably trained through this meet, and obviously just cruised as a pack. they'll see each other at pac-12s soon enough
Honestly, Colorado should redshirt Pearson. It looks like they can comfortably win without him this year. And that would leave them in the driver's seat for a three-peat. They would return Saarel, Pearson, Moussa, Murphy, Perrin and Peterman. I also wouldn't be surprised if they picked up one of the hs studs. I could see Grant Fisher or John Dressel being lured by Wetmore. Maton from Oregon could have the most upside though. If they get 2 or 3 really good recruits, they could just keep the ball rolling. Why stop at 3 straight?
Flawed Logic? wrote:
The only flawed logic is yours if you are trying to create some sort of scenario where Oregon or anyone else can compete with Colorado. They lost by 56 points. In a race with more runners that number will only go up.
First off, did I ever suggest Oregon was going to beat Colorado? No. My posts are unbiased; they brought up thoughts that no one else had presented.
Second, if you don't see flawed logic in this statement, you are either daft or ignorant about running.
"So they wouldn't have been top five and will not help Oregon beat Colorado in any way."
Suggesting that the two Oregon runners in the open race could not have been in the varsity top five is a mistake. It totally ignores the fact that the open and varsity race had many different factors. Also, consider that fact that Matthew Melancon has been second and fifth for the ducks so far this year, so it is highly likely that he would have been top five in the varsity race today.
Once again, I am not being biased toward any team. If you want my two cents, I believe that Oregon could win the title, but it would have to be on a day where their 3-5 run an A++ race. It seems that for Colorado to win, they only need to put forth an average race for a comfortable victory. They have proven they deserve their #1 rank.
3d wrote:
Colorado had 6 guys before Oregon's 3rd.
The two guys for Oregon who ran the open race, what number on the team are they usually?
Melancon was 2nd early in the season, and 5th at Boston, so it seems unlikely that he would be any higher than their third man. Without running the numbers, I'm pretty sure Colorado would still have had a comfortable victory today.