Beth Sullivan making headlines at UT

Too true wrote:

It is one thing to point out the behavior and let people judge whether it is appropriate. It is another to constantly whine - yes, that word again - about it for 22 pages. Like it has been said before - at this point you are starting to lose credibility by very obviously trying to keep this thread going. It is a non issue at this point. She did things well within her rights as a coach. Wah wah! Bye!

Of course, 1/2 of the 22 pages are posts like yours..."protesting too much" Shakespeare style.

random3 wrote:

Too true wrote:

It is one thing to point out the behavior and let people judge whether it is appropriate. It is another to constantly whine - yes, that word again - about it for 22 pages. Like it has been said before - at this point you are starting to lose credibility by very obviously trying to keep this thread going. It is a non issue at this point. She did things well within her rights as a coach. Wah wah! Bye!

Of course, 1/2 of the 22 pages are posts like yours..."protesting too much" Shakespeare style.

Pretty much this.

Also, this whole notion of "losing credibility" makes no sense for several reasons.

Firstly, an argument stands on its merit. It is either valid or invalid. It doesn't matter how often it is repeated.

Just because you don't like what is being said, and because it has been repeated, does not mean it is any less valid.

Secondly, you and others (who are quite likely only a few people posting under many different names) keep repeating "you're losing credibility."

The only ones saying this are the ones who had their minds made up to begin with. The fact that "credibility" is "lost" with these people matters little.

Thirdly, no actual credibility is lost among the aforementioned party. This is just something the BAS supporters keep saying to silence the opposition without addressing their actual arguments.

They can't reasonably defend the actions of BAS, so they resort to characterizing the opposition bringing up what happened as "whining," have characterized them as "believing everyone gets a trophy", and as "losers," etc.

This is common behavior exhibited by people who don't take well to having their beliefs challenged. They get angry, don't listen to the arguments of the other side, and fail to articulate an actual point.

The best anyone has been able to do is say "BAS was within her rights as a coach to do this."

No one is saying that she isn't within her rights to do this. That is not what the argument is about.

People are attacking her behavior because what she did was cold, calculated, and repugnant. The fact that she was within her rights to do this does not negate the wrongness of her actions.

Something being legal =/= it being moral. Something being allowed =/= right.

Remember, slavery used to be legal. We would think people that defended owning slaves on the grounds of it being legal were in fact mistaken.

The point wasn't that it was legal to do, the point was that it is repugnant behavior.

BAS's behavior as a coach is the same. She is allowed to do what she did, but that does not make it right.

Somehow, this point has gone several meters above you and your sock puppets's collective heads.

Another reason why it clearly shows that the AD and the Tennessee do not care about Women and Women's athletics. The AD had originally state that the Lady Vols logo will not go away. The SWA sold out. All the had work of Summit and Cronan in building this brand is going to waste.

Be warned young ladies.

logician wrote:

random3 wrote:

Of course, 1/2 of the 22 pages are posts like yours..."protesting too much" Shakespeare style.

Remember, slavery used to be legal. We would think people that defended owning slaves on the grounds of it being legal were in fact mistaken.

You compared the actions of BAS to slavery? Wow. How desperate you must be to make your daughter look good. Get a life, man.

LadyVolChange wrote:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/2014/11/11/tennessee-lady-vols-name-change/18894571/

Another reason why it clearly shows that the AD and the Tennessee do not care about Women and Women's athletics. The AD had originally state that the Lady Vols logo will not go away. The SWA sold out. All the had work of Summit and Cronan in building this brand is going to waste.

Be warned young ladies.

The Lady Vols logo didn't go away. The women's basketball team will use it, with respect to the legacy that Pat Summit has, and that Joan Cronan supported. If they didn't care about women's athletics, they wouldn't have just built a brand new Volleyball center for the women. Think before you speak

Tennessee has a nice early signing class

So the 2015 season is underway - was hoping these girls landed somewhere else.

Morgan Harvey - Found an article that mentioned her going to Pitt but don't see her on the roster?

Ariel Terrell - On the roster at Western Kentucky

Shelbi White - ?

Shelbi White landed at UAB. Not shown on roster but listed in an event this weekend. Good for her, not too far from her home. I assume she sat out through the Fall semester but transferred for Spring.

I gather Alexis Panisse has also left. Anyone know the circumstances + what she's doing now?

Harvey is def at Pittsburg, not sure why she's not on the roster

Panisse did leave, she's injured right now, not sure which school she landed at, probably will end up at Univ of NJ and get back with JJ Clark, makes sense, or end up back in New York

Still some other girls who got cut who are still at UT, still not sure why these girls were cut, but I (and many others) would like to know the truth

Men's program is doing well, but Women's is really taking a hit because of all of this

Update she transfer to UCONN

And now, 6 months and 432 posts later, nobody seems to care and it has pretty much blown over.

quick wrote:

Update she transfer to UCONN

I thought JJ went to NJ for some reason and completely forgot he went to UConn

Either way, she was probably going to follow him, Panisse and Chanelle Price should make great training partners

Laren Benstre wrote:

quick wrote:

Update she transfer to UCONN

I thought JJ went to NJ for some reason and completely forgot he went to UConn

Either way, she was probably going to follow him, Panisse and Chanelle Price should make great training partners

Would be awesome to see Panisse get to Price's level - hope it all works out for her.

Dkny64 wrote:

Laren Benstre wrote:

I thought JJ went to NJ for some reason and completely forgot he went to UConn

Either way, she was probably going to follow him, Panisse and Chanelle Price should make great training partners

Would be awesome to see Panisse get to Price's level - hope it all works out for her.

Out with an injury right now, but she has the potential, already has a 2:03, I think she can get 2:01 by the end of next year

you seem to care you responded.

reader of the forums wrote:

http://www.theshadowleague.com/articles/rocky-flop-the-story-of-how-the-tennessee-track-program-discarded-its-top-recruits

Blech, that's all I can say.

That could make me have any respect for BAS ever again. While college sports is definitely a business, there is no reason whatsoever for her to have treated these young ladies in this manner. She should have called them at the beginning of the semester,,,knowing what she was planning to do, and given them an out…even that would have been cold and calculating…she is a rotten, selfish person and I hope her career dies there.