USADA again testing Galen Rupp the most

rupp is a doper, there is no disputing this fact

sure, everyone is a doper. there is no disputing this fact

there are plenty who don't dope, but rupp ain't one of 'em

Flour Water wrote:

there are plenty who don't dope, but rupp ain't one of 'em

No everyone dopes, I just read it on LRC. It's a fact.

I heard Peter Pan, I mean Ruppy, is pure as the driven snow.

Gud 4U wrote:

Well fanboy, go picket the USADA to leave you precious Rupp alone. Scream, prance, kick and wail until you get your way.

Rupp will continue to be tested A LOT for years to come. The USADA has its reason for targeting him over others. That is reality.

In your most recent response, you failed to include your original post and my response in your original post you made up some crap and tried to pass it off as some sort of argument/proof. My response simply called bs on your rant. I made no complaints about testing, that comes with setting ARs, WLs and competing in DL events. And j-offs like yourself would claim that if he wasn't tested so much that would be proof he's doping.

Either stand by your made up bs or shut up, but don't try to change the subject or interject "screams, prances and kicks " into the discussion it only demonstrates the weakness of your so-called argument.

bonehead meter redlined wrote:

"Many pros inject near-fatal amounts of pain killers so they can train until their limbs break."

-this has to be one of the most idiotic statements that I've read on this forum; and that is saying quite a bit.

No, it's a lot closer to the truth than you think. When doping was legal, the PED's of choice were amphetamines and opiates.

The late 50's and 60's saw a dramatic improvement in mid-distance and track distance times, achieved by a long succession of stars who had one or two years at the top before burning out for good. Even Michel Jazy's relatively long career was punctuated by two stellar seasons and sudden retirement. This is consistent with the effects of speed and opiates - highly effective as PED's, but also highly damaging and addictive so that in the long term they destroy athletic ability.

The IOC knew this and focused on those two classes of drugs when they started testing in 1968. They were motivated partly by the nascent drug war, but also by the occasional drug-related deaths of professional athletes. There were already a few athletes using steroids in '68, but the IOC didn't care, and they didn't care in '72 either. Steroids were neither as dangerous nor as effective.

This makes me wonder as far as gray-area PED's are concerned, why is everyone focusing on anabolics, thyroid meds or blood boosters? There could be some newfangled painkillers and stimulants out there too that the WADA "doesn't know about."

Incontrovertible proof wrote:

Either stand by your made up bs or shut up, but don't try to change the subject or interject "screams, prances and kicks " into the discussion it only demonstrates the weakness of your so-called argument.

And a Rupp fanboy, screams, prances and kicks...on cue.

Gud 4U wrote:

And a Rupp fanboy, screams, prances and kicks...on cue.

Prance is such a delightful word.

Look at Derek Cheater for another example of sports corporations protecting dopers to increase profits.

Flour Water wrote:

there are plenty who don't dope, but rupp ain't one of 'em

Oh yeah, there are those that don't..none are world class though. Perhaps the 4 hour marathon runners?

luv2run wrote:

USADA dropped the "random" claim years ago. There is some randomness to it, but not like drawing for the lottery.

There are no random tests. USADA collects "intelligence" (their term) and tests accordingly.

WillyWanker wrote:

There are no random tests. USADA collects "intelligence" (their term) and tests accordingly.

Correct. The bio passport is the "intel". Rupp is being tested often because his bio passport flags indicates that he should be scrutinized closely. I imagine that his testosterone and EPO levels are coming up consistently close to the maximum allowed. How are they coming up that way? Nike is manipulating his hormones to be just below the max. It's a game of cat and mouse. So far the mice are winning the game.

Anti-doping organizations can integrate the Athlete Biological Passport into the larger framework of a robust anti-doping program in order to:

Identify and target athletes for specific analytical testing by intelligent and timely interpretation of Passport data; and

Pursue possible anti-doping rule violations based on an atypical passport, in accordance with Article 2.2: Use or attempted use by an athlete of a prohibited substance or a prohibited method of the World Anti-Doping Code (Code).

salazar would be a fool if he wasn't maxing out the testosterone ratio

and the EPO microdose and altitude

some growth hormone and thyroid combo

throw in a few TUEs on top of that

bingo

The bio passport is flawed as well. All one needs to do is enter into the testing pool with high levels and then maintain them (and hire someone to manage it). See aged professional cyclists, for example, who defy all common knowledge of what happens to endurance levels when approaching (or surpassing!) age ~40. All of them predate the bio passport program. There are a few in track and field with similar histories.

"Intelligence" is not limited to the bio passport. It includes their own suspicions, odd results, and the number of times the suspected athlete has been ratted out by their competitors via the USADA hotline, and other subjective and non-scientific sources.

Gud 4U wrote:

Incontrovertible proof wrote:

Either stand by your made up bs or shut up, but don't try to change the subject or interject "screams, prances and kicks " into the discussion it only demonstrates the weakness of your so-called argument.

And a Rupp fanboy, screams, prances and kicks...on cue.

Right, anybody who disagrees with anything you say is a "Rupp fanboy." Got it.

you are a moron wrote:

Right, anybody who disagrees with anything you say is a "Rupp fanboy." Got it.

Right, anybody who disagrees with anything you say is a "Rupp hater." Got it.

Bad Wigins wrote:

dirt report wrote:

best distance runner on the planet right now?

is Augustine Choge, the all-around greatest from 800 to 5000. Only man ever to run sub 1:45, sub 3:30, sub 7:30 AND sub 12:55. How many of those has Rupp got? Hint: it starts with "Z."

EL G... I suppose his 800 isn't verified. Rumors of a 1:43 in practice (http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=2046144&page=1), but his last 800 in athens was right above 1:45.

Just checked, it was 1:46.9