Cain Running Zurich 1500m

I mean, Salazar coaches both Rowbury and Cain. I assume he has a fair understanding of where they are in relation to one another and would not enter Cain in Zurich if he though she would be embarrassed.

raw thang wrote:

I mean, Salazar coaches both Rowbury and Cain. I assume he has a fair understanding of where they are in relation to one another and would not enter Cain in Zurich if he though she would be embarrassed.

yeah, he would never let one of his little dopers be embarrassed like hasay getting multiple DFLs and lapped

agip wrote:

well it ain't 10 seconds - more like 8. And I qualified by saying 'it wouldn't be crazy' and that she wouldn't win a fast race.

but don't you see some value in frontrunning rather than doing the same old run in the pack for 1200 meters, find your way out of the pack for 100 meters than kick the last 200?

who would have thought coburn could frontrun and win a diamond league race? nobody.

Certainly the africans didn't think so and admitted as much. Coburn had the guts to take advantage of this, and won. She gets a little more respect now.

Perhaps Cain will try to go to the front, except that Salazar apparently forbids his runners from doing so. But if this race isn't a time trial, Cain has at least a puncher's chance; she's as fast as anyone else in field at 800m. If she can get into a good position with 200m to go, she could make things interesting.

Oh come on, there has to be some consideration given to fan appeal. It's hardly as of she is bumping a favorite and she was, you'll recall, a WC finalist last year. She isn't some hack.

Wang wrote:

Oh come on, there has to be some consideration given to fan appeal. It's hardly as of she is bumping a favorite and she was, you'll recall, a WC finalist last year. She isn't some hack.

Plus she has hardware from World Juniors. That alone gets her an auto-entry.

Have you guys foroggen? This is why you don't frontrun in a 1500:

The way I see it, this race will be between Jenny and the other Mary (Slaney). I remember Salazar at US Nationals talking about racing for second (behind Jenny). Jenny is for sure going out hard like she has been, and Mary Cain has no chance in hell of hanging. If I was Salazar I would be thinking about next year, when there's a championship meet with heats that fits Cain's present abilities better. I expect her to stay closer to the leaders than she has been and pick people off in the kick.

Obiri

Barringer 3:57:high

Jamal

E Sum

(gap)

Cain 4:00:high

Bovim

Jelagat

Rowbury

Kibiwot

Seyaum

Belete

Hassan

Weightman

Kipyegon

Aregawi dnx

Wright dnf

Sledge wrote:

Wang wrote:

Oh come on, there has to be some consideration given to fan appeal. It's hardly as of she is bumping a favorite and she was, you'll recall, a WC finalist last year. She isn't some hack.

Plus she has hardware from World Juniors. That alone gets her an auto-entry.

It does not. The only AQ's are last year's DL winners, senior WC's and DL points leaders. The leaders are all in the field, but there are others who could still score a point or two, which would likely get their foot in the door for next year. Cain is not one of them. Someone else deserves her spot.

As for fan appeal, it is a European meet on European TV. They don't care about a US age-grouper who is going to come in DFL. And they are not weird and sick in the head about little girls.

Often you make some sense, but you have gone off the reservation on this one.

I don't think there are many people, US or otherwise, who take that 3,000m medal too seriously. It was the event for people who couldn't cut it in either the 1,500 or 5,000. So you can leave out the World Junior medal as any kind of stamp of approval for a DL event. Cain did make the final of the World Champs, that's true. But everyone outside of the top 5 were there just to make up numbers. It was difficult not to make the final. The fields were also much more limited at the Worlds. Only 3 Kenyans were able to compete, whereas they could have 6 in a DL race. It should be the quality of the performance, and not just the result, which gives a start in a DL event. Remember that Hasay also "made a final" at the World Champs and she's just a danger to shipping in a DL race.

I was referring to picking Cain over someone ranked above her in the 1500 this year that does not have the medal credentials. The meeting directory is going to pick the WJ Champ every time. A figurative auto-entry, if you will.

1. Abeba AREGAWI

2. Jenny SIMPSON

3. Sifan HASSAN

4. Hellen OBIRI

5. Faith Chepngetich KIPYEGON

6. Axumawit EMBAYE

7. Laura WEIGHTMAN

7. Dawit SEYAUM

9. Treniere MOSER

10. Rababe ARAFI

11. Laura MUIR

12. Gudaf TSEGAY

13. Meraf BAHTA

14. Nicole SIFUENTES

15. Luiza GEGA

16. Shannon ROWBURY

17. Hannah ENGLAND

18. Mimi BELETE

18. Zoe BUCKMAN

20. MÅKESTAD BOVIM

21. Svetlana KARAMASHEVA

22. Mary CAIN

That's current world rankings

here's the 2012 zurich w 1500 race - no one went with the rabbit - aregawi won in 406, and then the pack behind her.

If no one goes with the rabbit again, cain should seriously think about going to the front of the chase pack - run fewer meters, don't end up running in lane 3 to get around people, etc.

but most likely, cain will be told to follow either simpson (if cain is in great shape) or Rowbury (more likely) for 3 laps and then see what she can do.

Just seems that Coburn is no 'better' than cain - if coburn can frontrun successfully, why can't cain? Cain runs fearlessly - she should use that instead of becoming yet another time trialing fraidy cat american mid d person.

2012 zurich w 1500 - slow race

1 Abeba Aregawi ETH 4:05.29

2 Mercy Cherono KEN 4:06.42

3 Shannon Rowbury USA 4:07.14

4 Viola Jelagat Kibiwot KEN 4:07.27

5 Mimi Belete BRN 4:07.95

6 Hannah England GBR 4:07.99

7 Jennifer Simpson USA 4:08.38

8 Brenda Martinez USA 4:08.84

9 Hilary Stellingwerff CAN 4:10.59

10 Diana Sujew GER 4:10.70

11 Maryam Yusuf Jamal BRN 4:11.05

12 Lucia Klocová SVK 4:11.83

13 Laura Weightman GBR 4:12.68

14 Faith Chepngetich Kipyegon KEN 4:18.61

finally cain goes against the big dogs. I'm excited.

Bad Wigins wrote:

If I were in Zurich, I would jeer and hold up a big anti-Nike sign at the end of the 1st turn where the camera would pan past it lots of times.

Sweet idea, bro! I sure wouldn't want to be a Nike shareholder after that devastating protest. You're like a 21st century Cesar Chavez. Go get 'em!

wigins man, grow up.

I know you love to jab fingers in eyes, but come on.

and why DO you love so much to jab those fingers? Do tell.

diamond league is entertainment. Having 11 africans and MAYBE one non african in every race would not sell any tickets.

but having a young, ebullient (and white) world junior champion in the race? makes for a better show.

(championships are of course different)

There are hazards to every tactic. Also to hanging back and letting someone else set the pace.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaG0FjXhiDU