Absolutely unbelievable!
This guy has cheated, twice, and should be banned for life. Yet morons on here are praising what is blatantly a drug assisted performance like it is something to be proud of. When the immorality is pointed out to these idiots they then accuse other non American athletes of doping to try and legitimise what Gatlin has done.
Fact is Gatlin is a doper, a cheat and deserves no attention whatsoever.
The British athletes were never tested positive and are clean.
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true brit wrote:
I think Steve Cram said what we were all thinking after that phenomenal run... Something along the lines of "he's had two doping bans, and is now running quicker than ever before"...
With the life-long benefits of doping, life-long bans should be enforced... Though I think Crammy was suggesting something a little more sinister than the long-term effect of past doping...
Crammy may have been doping during his career, no? -
Completely agree the guy has failed two tests has a coach who tested positive and is running faster than ever and we are supposed to believe he is clean. Yeah right. Gatlin is a piece of filth and should be banned for life. I turned on to watch the athletics saw Gatlin cheat his way to yet more money and beat Tyson Gay another cheat and felt like turning off again!
The message board is full of people hating on Rupp and Farah who have never tested positive and never will yet people on here are praising this stinking piece of pond scum.
One poster said Cram never talks about NOP and drugs.Cram does not mention Farah or Rupp in relation to drugs because they have never tested positive.
Why do people in the USA assume all their athletes are clean, even former drugs cheats, yet slate Rupp. Total double standards!
I have never heard any rumours about Cram taking drugs before idiots on here started making up there usual rubbish. -
I think despite his 19.68, we'll only see him run the deuce sparingly over the next three seasons( although something tells me that he will try to make the 200m teamfor beijing and rio. In that case, his PR of his could be under some more revision.)
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quote]Flat Stanley wrote:
Completely agree the guy has failed two tests has a coach who tested positive and is running faster than ever and we are supposed to believe he is clean. Yeah right. Gatlin is a piece of filth and should be banned for life. I turned on to watch the athletics saw Gatlin cheat his way to yet more money and beat Tyson Gay another cheat and felt like turning off again!
The message board is full of people hating on Rupp and Farah who have never tested positive and never will yet people on here are praising this stinking piece of pond scum.
One poster said Cram never talks about NOP and drugs.Cram does not mention Farah or Rupp in relation to drugs because they have never tested positive.
Why do people in the USA assume all their athletes are clean, even former drugs cheats, yet slate Rupp. Total double standards!
I have never heard any rumours about Cram taking drugs before idiots on here started making up there usual rubbish.[/quote]
My god we have a lot of "holier than thou's" on here.....plus folks who don't know the facts....and....
Actually, read USADA report, http://www.usada.org/wp-content/uploads/AAA-CAS-Decision-Justin-Gatlin-January-2008.pdf, page two. His first "positive" was inadvertent and unintentional and would not have been ruled so if he had only filled out paperwork for TUE (which was medically valid for treatment of ADHD and USADA and IAAF both concurred). His subsequent use of steroids was stupid and he paid a significant price for it. But perhaps that's not enough for the mob here screaming for more punishment.
If your argument is one positive and your out for life, you can make it. But instead of making a legitimate argument for that, being self-righteous and jumping on the ant-Gatlin bandwagon is so much easier.
And, please stop repeating the fallacy that if a person did something wrong before that therefore it's established as fact that they will repeat that wrong action. You guys must see Kubrick's A Clockwork Orange as a reasonable documentary.
Btw, agree with your point that there's way too much accusation of doping without any solid evidence or facts (whether directed at Farah, Rupp, or Gatlin, Willis - who just set a record at age 31?, etc). Let's Slander.com -
Peer Mediator wrote:
Absolutely unbelievable!
This guy has cheated, twice, and should be banned for life. Yet morons on here are praising what is blatantly a drug assisted performance like it is something to be proud of. When the immorality is pointed out to these idiots they then accuse other non American athletes of doping to try and legitimise what Gatlin has done.
Fact is Gatlin is a doper, a cheat and deserves no attention whatsoever.
The British athletes were never tested positive and are clean.
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exthrower wrote:
There are no "life-long benefits of doping". You really don't know what you are talking about. He is still doping, obviously.
ukathleticscoach wrote:
With the life-long benefits of doping, life-long bans should be enforced... Though I think Crammy was suggesting something a little more sinister than the long-term effect of past doping...
Steve Cram is always implies doping usage though, except when Farah's running. Worst commentator around.
If Farah had been done for dopimg twice you might have a point[/quote][/quote]
I didn't write go back and check you have copied the quote from someone else you plonker (and now you know what that is)
All this talk is irrelevant. Gatlin is a 2 time doper, anything on the other runners is speculation -
Love2Hate wrote:
And, please stop repeating the fallacy that if a person did something wrong before that therefore it's established as fact that they will repeat that wrong action.
You absolutely must have a huge glop of shit where your brains ought to be.
This isn't a matter of people simply saying, "Once a cheater, always a cheater." It's a matter of, "Gatlin has been caught cheating, and now he's back and running even faster, consistently, than when he was known to be cheating, and beating known cheaters in the process."
Unless you don't believe that PEDs have a significant effect on sprint times, you have no basis for saying what you just said. And Jim Criminy this is the last place for pseudo-intellectuals such as yourself to go babbling about logical fallacies. -
I honestly believe he's running clean and that most of the drug talk comes from haters who just want to tear down anyone who is successful.
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Gatling is the man. He was more well known for being a great 200 runner early in his career, but started to focus more on the 100 because that is where all the glory is. If no injuries, we are going to see something special. He is the man.
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Armstrong Syndrome wrote:
Love2Hate wrote:
And, please stop repeating the fallacy that if a person did something wrong before that therefore it's established as fact that they will repeat that wrong action.
You absolutely must have a huge glop of shit where your brains ought to be.
This isn't a matter of people simply saying, "Once a cheater, always a cheater." It's a matter of, "Gatlin has been caught cheating, and now he's back and running even faster, consistently, than when he was known to be cheating, and beating known cheaters in the process."
Unless you don't believe that PEDs have a significant effect on sprint times, you have no basis for saying what you just said. And Jim Criminy this is the last place for pseudo-intellectuals such as yourself to go babbling about logical fallacies.
Pardon the interruption to your rant, but where is it that you responded to my post and provided evidence and rational argument about how doping in 2006 is providing Gatlin with an unfair advantage today?
Oh, that's right I didn't miss it because it wasn't there. -
sheesh.
the 100 and 200 are ped events.
the tour de france is a dope event.
for 50 frickin years! every year lads.
what are you smoking folks? -
Love2Hate wrote:
Armstrong Syndrome wrote:
Love2Hate wrote:
And, please stop repeating the fallacy that if a person did something wrong before that therefore it's established as fact that they will repeat that wrong action.
You absolutely must have a huge glop of shit where your brains ought to be.
This isn't a matter of people simply saying, "Once a cheater, always a cheater." It's a matter of, "Gatlin has been caught cheating, and now he's back and running even faster, consistently, than when he was known to be cheating, and beating known cheaters in the process."
Unless you don't believe that PEDs have a significant effect on sprint times, you have no basis for saying what you just said. And Jim Criminy this is the last place for pseudo-intellectuals such as yourself to go babbling about logical fallacies.
Pardon the interruption to your rant, but where is it that you responded to my post and provided evidence and rational argument about how doping in 2006 is providing Gatlin with an unfair advantage today?
Oh, that's right I didn't miss it because it wasn't there.
Uh, did you read his post? He just provided you with evidence. -
ROflcopterz wrote:No, he's probably saying that it's dumb for people to refer to him as a two-time doper, which is how the commentators always portray him. And people look at him and get all pissed off that someone who has been banned TWICE from the sport is allowed to compete.
he had big exams on the friday
ncaa rules said :
no ADHD tablets later than wednesday if running weekend
stoopidly
he took ADHD tablets on thursday for his exams -
You serious guy wrote:
Love2Hate wrote:
Armstrong Syndrome wrote:
Love2Hate wrote:
And, please stop repeating the fallacy that if a person did something wrong before that therefore it's established as fact that they will repeat that wrong action.
You absolutely must have a huge glop of shit where your brains ought to be.
This isn't a matter of people simply saying, "Once a cheater, always a cheater." It's a matter of, "Gatlin has been caught cheating, and now he's back and running even faster, consistently, than when he was known to be cheating, and beating known cheaters in the process."
Unless you don't believe that PEDs have a significant effect on sprint times, you have no basis for saying what you just said. And Jim Criminy this is the last place for pseudo-intellectuals such as yourself to go babbling about logical fallacies.
Pardon the interruption to your rant, but where is it that you responded to my post and provided evidence and rational argument about how doping in 2006 is providing Gatlin with an unfair advantage today?
Oh, that's right I didn't miss it because it wasn't there.
Uh, did you read his post? He just provided you with evidence.
The "evidence" is that he ran faster???? So by using this as evidence, everyone who runs faster thoughout their career is a doper?? Or, are we back to the "if you ever tested positive, any performance thereafter - but only if faster - is evidence of doping"??? Or, are you saying the benefits of doping last over 6 years?
I don't know with absolute certainty Gatlin isn't or hasn't recently doped, but it's going to take more than the typical LRC rant or weak logic to make a compelling case. You can't prove a negative, but that won't stop the whiners whining - if only the "beyond reproach" Nick Willis could run the 100 we'd have a clean race. But wait, at 31 he just set his personal best - must be doping?? But wait, that's a really stupid argument.... -
This is what usa has to look forward too!? A cheater. He should have been banned for life that would have gotten him way more respect
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He be on dat sauce, yo!
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I'm Justin Gatlin, I'm labeled a drug cheat because I am one.
I'm 31yo and may have another couple of years earning power in me, including WCs and OGs.
If you're a convicted drug cheat you're a bit on the nose, people don't want to know you and your earning power goes out the window.
Unless..., unless I can do something extraordinary and run fantastic times, but to do that I need... yep you guessed it.
So what have I got to lose?, nothing. I'm already labeled a drug cheat so they can't hurt me there and they can't claim their money back, can they?
Just sayin. -
Love2Hate wrote:
The "evidence" is that he ran faster???? So by using this as evidence, everyone who runs faster thoughout their career is a doper?? Or, are we back to the "if you ever tested positive, any performance thereafter - but only if faster - is evidence of doping"??? Or, are you saying the benefits of doping last over 6 years?
I don't know with absolute certainty Gatlin isn't or hasn't recently doped, but it's going to take more than the typical LRC rant or weak logic to make a compelling case. You can't prove a negative, but that won't stop the whiners whining - if only the "beyond reproach" Nick Willis could run the 100 we'd have a clean race. But wait, at 31 he just set his personal best - must be doping?? But wait, that's a really stupid argument....
"Evidence" is some fact that tends to make a proposition more or less likely. Something doesn't have to be conclusive in order to be evidence; and the existence of some evidence in support of a proposition doesn't mean that the proposition is necessarily true.
Nothing in the life is absolutely certain - we look at the evidence for and against and make an assessment based on that. One question is how certain we want to before reaching a conclusion. Lawyers make a distinction between the civil of proof - balance of probabilities; and the criminal one - beyond reasonable doubt.
Given Gatlin's previous positive tests; apparent lack of genuine contrition and his current performances there's certainly a good chance he's doping. But we don't know for sure.
Of course there is a chance that any athlete is doping. But we at least like to give those who have never tested positive the benefit of the doubt. -
wasnt his 1st ban from adhd med? yes and his second positive was a sabatoge from his massage therapist. he is and was always a 100 percent clean athlete coached at the time by Trevor Graham. marion jones who was also coached by Trevor Graham used the same therapist. what is the common denominator? Massage Therapist.
