Strange Cain strategy and interaction at US Juniors

Are you kidding me, did you really just drop the Martin Smith name. That guy was the most controlling dude ever!!! I tried to shake his hand and he said, "I don't shake hands, because I don't want to get sick." And no, I was not sick! The Oregon fans hated his bullshit tactics and never running fast at Oregon. Now he has been run out of Oklahoma! Good luck with that argument.

Hank Moody wrote:

Why would MP know what Mary is supposed to do? Why would she be in charge of calling Salazar? If Salazar was so concerned why wasn't someone from the NOP there?

People should not be surprised by this.

All anything the coaches could talk about at NCAAs was how Alberto Salazar is the one who coaches the Oregon team. After Oregon did awful and was like 21st at NCAAs, they had Powell come in and said to him, "Alberto will send you the workouts from now on."

So given the fact that I heard that in Eugene last month, this story is totall believeable.

no way wrote:

salazar sounds insane

He's intense and focused.

He sees each race, and the strategy, as a part of an over all much longer picture and trajectory than you can probably imagine.

He sees that race in relation to Cain in 2024, etc.

ncaa coach wrote:

Hank Moody wrote:

Why would MP know what Mary is supposed to do? Why would she be in charge of calling Salazar? If Salazar was so concerned why wasn't someone from the NOP there?

People should not be surprised by this.

All anything the coaches could talk about at NCAAs was how Alberto Salazar is the one who coaches the Oregon team. After Oregon did awful and was like 21st at NCAAs, they had Powell come in and said to him, "Alberto will send you the workouts from now on."

So given the fact that I heard that in Eugene last month, this story is totall believeable.

This is BS. I know Salazar talks to Andy but this is pure BS. I know when Oregon got their ass handed to them at Pac 12's by CU Salazar insisted they up their mileage but Salazar is NOT running the show in Eugene.

Andy Powell has never gotten the respect he deserves. Not under Vin - and now people need to make it sound like he works for Alberto.

Martin Smith, Alberto, Andy Powell, all three of those guys are controlling. It's not every coaches style but for the college ones especially - have fun trying to get 18 year old kids to not f*** up without having a leash on them. Even if it's a bit long.

The OP's story seems 100% credible based on the video evidence.

sandybeaver wrote:

Mo Ron wrote:

The two of you who laughed at my post have probably never raced on the track and tried to hear splits yelled at you.

Even hearing "61" is hard let alone such a sentence.

Please tell us at what point in the middle of a 3k did Mary Cain run a 61.

You must have a very creative brain.

Doping Expert wrote:

The OP's story seems 100% credible based on the video evidence.

I can't believe that we are in the 3rd page of this thread and people are still buying into the mound of horse manure the OP laid out.

squeakyclean wrote:

people are still buying into the mound of horse manure the OP laid out.

Keep licking AlSal's toes, but he not a good mentor for young runners.

squeakyclean wrote:

Doping Expert wrote:

The OP's story seems 100% credible based on the video evidence.

I can't believe that we are in the 3rd page of this thread and people are still buying into the mound of horse manure the OP laid out.

It has to be the OP posting with numerous amounts of different handles.

duh vision wrote:

squeakyclean wrote:

people are still buying into the mound of horse manure the OP laid out.

Keep licking AlSal's toes, but he not a good mentor for young runners.

How am I licking Al Sal's toes? I hate the guy.

what exactly did magness tweet?

This is the OP. The story is not bogus. I was standing right there by the fence and saw this all happen.

NOP Skeptic wrote:

I'm starting to lose a little respect for them due the their race strategies, and how the NEVER take the lead until the last lap, like they're going to get an erruption on lactic acid injected into their muscles if they lead 1 second before the end of the race... Cain had no bisuness trying to sit on someone who is not even close to being on her level

Using this strategy against college/domestic runners exclusively for so many years is why Rupp is unable to deploy any other tactic or win an elite race today.

Mo Ron wrote:

The two of you who laughed at my post have probably never raced on the track and tried to hear splits yelled at you.

Even hearing "61" is hard let alone such a sentence.

Mo Ron, if you ever heard "61" yelled at you it was when you ran your 400 PR. That or your crash-and-burn 2:09 800.

A Duck wrote:

He's intense and focused.

He sees each race, and the strategy, as a part of an over all much longer picture and trajectory than you can probably imagine.

He sees that race in relation to Cain in 2024, etc.

HAHAHAHA.

You truly believe the specific manner in which Cain wins a 3000 against runners 30s slower than her has any impact on anything?

If anything, running this way until 2024 will leave her like Rupp: devoid of tactical acumen and borderline useless in a fast tactical race.

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no way wrote:

salazar sounds insane

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He's intense and focused.

He sees each race, and the strategy, as a part of an over all much longer picture and trajectory than you can probably imagine.

He sees that race in relation to Cain in 2024, etc.

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Did he forsee his heart attack while he was doping during his Comrades Marathon days?

Hank Moody wrote:

squeakyclean wrote:

I can't believe that we are in the 3rd page of this thread and people are still buying into the mound of horse manure the OP laid out.

It has to be the OP posting with numerous amounts of different handles.

Probably bs but why did she move out in to lane 2 like that?

I was sitting about 10 rows behind Coach Powell during the race... I couldn't hear her on the phone, but I did see her on her phone in the middle of the race; prior to the phone call, she was clearly instructing Cain during the early parts of the race.

Immediately after the phone call she yelled something to Cain. Cain slowed down and moved off the rail, apparently so that Jenks would pass her. Jenks didn't pass, and Cain went back to the inside and continued leading.

I have little doubt that Powell was talking to Salazar during the race and that she was "coaching" Cain in Alberto's absence.