Blake is temporarily off the juice, and SUCKS

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  • trackcoach
    5 years ago 07/14/2014 11:09pm CDT
    re: I question your cred
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    I question your cred wrote:

    Why do you think Blake in particular needs steroids as well as this stuff to be good, as opposed to a guy like Gatlin?

    Me, I believe steroid effects last, and that Blake has taken enough for a lifetime, that guy is dense with muscle fibers. If he can take your IGF stuff freely as you suggest everybody does, then why does he suck so badly this year? Do you think he is off the IGF, and if so, why would he be, when you suggest that it can be done freely?


    Can you do a small amount of research before you post; I have seen body builders lose mass and strenght with in few months off of PEDs. There is absolutely nothings you can put in the human body that last forever.
  • You know who
    5 years ago 07/15/2014 9:24am CDT
    re: trackcoach
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    The steroids don't last forever, but if they split muscle fibers, the new fibers do last indefinitely.

    Can YOU do a small amount of research before asking somebody else to?

    I will give you a first step, and it is ONLY a first step, and does not put this issue to rest: I will let you do some of the work yourself. You can use this as a jumping-off point.

    But stop being ignorant.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16625366
  • aduck2022
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    5 years ago 07/16/2014 12:43pm CDT
    re: You know who
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    mister coachy poachy boo

    "Please do some research and stop making the same post; WADA has had a test for IGF1 for several year now."


    THEN please tell me why nobody has ever been busted for it.........smoke n mirrors ,iaaf and sprinting is a joke.

    it can only be and is the major factor with the fast times
    in sprints for largely the past 8 years or so reagardless
    of other peds , steroids ,testosterone which been around
    alot longer but something has changed in sprints and
    this is it ,high jump ,sit and kick ,etc ,similarly.
  • aduck2022
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    5 years ago 07/16/2014 1:43pm CDT
    re: aduck2022
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    AND
    HAVE you as a decent sprinter/athlete ever used igf-1
    in correct manner and if respond well to it then YOU WILL KNOW exactly what it can do ..............coach....
    not amazing but if running 10.50 will get you down to
    10.20's ,et cetera .
    largely nervous system mediated ,and why helps us taller,
    longer legged athletes more .

    AND why some guys got very fast during steroid era
    whilst others only so much reagrdless of strength .
    strong steroids will increase igf levels in most but
    only to very high levels nessary for fast times in the few ,.
  • Ibrahim
    5 years ago 07/17/2014 1:13am CDT
    re: aduck2022
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    That 19.26 was a fluke. No way that race in Brussels was that fast. I was in the stands and there was a big wind coming from the gap between the stands at the 100m start. On the curve you wont notice it over there, but it'll kick you in the back as soon as you reach the straight. Since the wind reaches the windmeter in an angle, there's no reading.
    Same happened in the JJ Johnson sub 20 race there.

    Blake is a 19.5 - 19.6 guy.....on roids.
  • First Class Lever
    5 years ago 07/17/2014 8:21am CDT
    re: Ibrahim
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    Ibrahim wrote:

    That 19.26 was a fluke. No way that race in Brussels was that fast. I was in the stands and there was a big wind coming from the gap between the stands at the 100m start. On the curve you wont notice it over there, but it'll kick you in the back as soon as you reach the straight. Since the wind reaches the windmeter in an angle, there's no reading.
    Same happened in the JJ Johnson sub 20 race there.

    Blake is a 19.5 - 19.6 guy.....on roids.

    That is my opinion also, especially in light of Dix's 19.5

    Dix is good, but not 19.5 good.

    Agreed, Blake is a 19.6 guy on roids.
  • trackcoach = dull in the head
    5 years ago 07/17/2014 8:57am CDT
    re: trackcoach
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    "I have seen body builders lose mass and strenght with in few months off of PEDs."

    I always love it when morons generalize their anecdotal evidence to the general population, and to elites in particular.

    Me personally, "I have seen body builders [maintain] mass and strength [years] off PEDs."

    Your bullcrap has just been neutralized.
  • chuckie d
    5 years ago 07/17/2014 11:05am CDT
    re: First Class Lever
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    First Class Lever wrote:

    Ibrahim wrote:

    That 19.26 was a fluke. No way that race in Brussels was that fast. I was in the stands and there was a big wind coming from the gap between the stands at the 100m start. On the curve you wont notice it over there, but it'll kick you in the back as soon as you reach the straight. Since the wind reaches the windmeter in an angle, there's no reading.
    Same happened in the JJ Johnson sub 20 race there.

    Blake is a 19.5 - 19.6 guy.....on roids.

    That is my opinion also, especially in light of Dix's 19.5

    Dix is good, but not 19.5 good.

    Agreed, Blake is a 19.6 guy on roids.


    Don't forget that Blake went 19.44 in London. I think that's probably the top end of his range actually.

    But yeah, the consensus now is that the 19.26 run was BS in one way or another.
  • Variability
    5 years ago 07/17/2014 11:34am CDT
    re: chuckie d
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    Yes, good point chuckie d.
  • My wait is f9
    5 years ago 08/11/2014 12:03am CDT
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    It's actually worse you will regress because your body will stop producing it's own testosterone or a short bit.
  • correct...
    5 years ago 08/11/2014 3:49am CDT
    re: My wait is f9
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    My wait is f9 wrote:

    It's actually worse you will regress because your body will stop producing it's own testosterone or a short bit.

    correct... that's exactly what happened to gatlin

    oh wait....
  • Kabayo
    5 years ago 08/11/2014 7:33am CDT
    re: correct...
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    It's obvious that Gatlin is still (/again) on something. I suspect him and Mitchell still working with Trevor. Dennis Mitchell was never a great light and I think he's a stopwatch coach for TG. Judging by the results of other people in that group, who get worse and worse since joining, Gatlin is the only one making progress.

    As far as Blake: Too much muscle packed on that frame since his late teens. No gradual progress in that, a grown men's workload on a young body and now it's mos likely over and done with. Hamstring surgeory is carreer ending for sprinters, even more so than an achilles rupture. The scar tissue will never ever allow him to run elite times in the short sprints.

    What I do like this season is that Powell, who was out almost as long as Gay, proves that he's doing it clean. Gradual progress, no shocking "BOOM" results...just learning to race again. Far more believable than the return to form of some other doper.
  • Couch potato
    5 years ago 08/11/2014 8:00am CDT
    re: aduck2022
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    Aduck have YOU personally used igf-1 lr3? Igf-1 DES is more powerful than lr3 but has a shorter half life. why can't it be this drug they are using?

    also charlie francis said sarms were to blame for these fast times (s4 in particular). are you saying that francis (a credible doper) was wrong and you're right? From what I understand s4 works somewhat different to testosterone at the androgen receptor (in the way it binds to the AR) and for whatever reason dramatically increases speed endurance.

    Lr3 has a half life of 39hours! There is a test for igf-1 yes it has not been effective because rhigf-1 has a half life of 10min. Igf-1 des (1000x more powerful has a half life of 20min). I find it hard to believe that an athlete would allow a substance to float in their system for 39hours+ !!! Makes more sense that igf-1 des would be the culprit.. It's more powerful and is in and out in a matter of minutes!

    GW is another substance they could have been using. Dramatically enhancing endurance, it's muscle sparing, shreds fat (weight loss), glycogen sparing and the recovery benefits are dramatic. Notice wada gave a warning last year about this substance and this year everyone is playing safe. Note this substance also has a long half life so dopers need to be very careful and on edge when on the run.

    It's important to remember that these guys are most likely taking a combination of stuff e.g. Igf-1 + sarm s4 + talent = BOOM!!! whatever it is the combination does not rely on heavy bulk ala Merritt and Rollins and Weir.
  • Couch potato
    5 years ago 08/11/2014 8:13am CDT
    re: Kabayo
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    Powell and Gay are in 2 different situations.

    Gay trains with the same coach on the same track.. nothing about his setup changed for him so it was easier to maintain his training. Look at their camp in FL he has athletes pushing him he basically has pace makers. In 2014 alone.. Ashmeade 97, Blesman 10.00 Edward 10.02, Phirri 10.03, Bracy 10.08 he has to run to run fast even in training.

    Powell on the other hand is now living in another country, new coach, different way of life, everything is new so obviously it's more likely that he needed time. He doesn't have training partners to push him anymore. Same reason why VCB had a sluggish start to her season (no training partners)

    As far as gatlin word on the street is that Mitchell IS just a time keeper for TG.
  • My wait is f9
    5 years ago 08/11/2014 8:21am CDT
    re: correct...
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    He took 4 years off his normal testosterone production happened within a year. He is a normal healthy young man. Obviously I don't think for one second he is clean as he is running times that he ran when he was dirty while in a training camp that was among the dirtiest in history...
  • My wait is f9
    5 years ago 08/11/2014 8:47am CDT
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    This is the truth. Watch on Youtube, they have doc with 3 regular guys lifting on roids and one was lifting massive amounts so that he could be a Muscle and Fitness model. After he cycled off steroids he lost all of his mass and was lifting less than 50 percent as much as his peak. To be honest when I was his age and clean I lifted as much as he did juiced so maybe he had poor genetics to begin with....
  • Noob one-timer
    5 years ago 08/11/2014 9:21am CDT
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    exthrower wrote:

    trackcoach = dull in the head wrote:

    "I have seen body builders lose mass and strenght with in few months off of PEDs."

    I always love it when morons generalize their anecdotal evidence to the general population, and to elites in particular.

    Me personally, "I have seen body builders [maintain] mass and strength [years] off PEDs."

    Your bullcrap has just been neutralized.

    You don't know what you're talking about...
    I've been around guys on roids for 50 years and tried them myself...
    You keep NONE of the effects after 2-5 months...NONE..


    Wrong. I worked out all through D1 football clean, didn't get drafted, did 2 cycles trying to up my strength to play arena/CFL, tore my right acl&mcl&medial meniscus during a tryout, and stopped using through surgery and recovery. Started working out a year later, kept all the strength plus the 20lbs of muscle I had put on.