Ok, if there was a DQ in the men's 800, the has to be one in the women's 1500 - Bye Bye Mary Cain?

BigDaddyWooWoo wrote:

PhyMech...did you watch the first 150 meters of the women's 800 meter run, if you did? How many runners should of been DQ (watch towards the back)?

You would expect possible contact in the first part of a 800m or 1500m race, as the runners merge and try to establish a position. But after a race has stabilized, runners simply have to give each other room. It's either a contact sport or it isn't. I say it should be non-contact.

Not that it will help her falling issues but she should move up to the 5,000.

LetsRun.com wrote:

Recap up of fall:

http://www.letsrun.com/news/2014/06/jenny-simpson-mary-cain-talk-morgan-uceny-falling/

I feel looking at these pictures it is obvious that it was Corey that was involved in the contact (but not necessarily that she caused the contact). Look at Corey's head position in the first photo and then compare it to the next photo. She is now looking down. In photo 4 Morgan is already falling. Whatever caused the fall happened before photo 4, and Corey felt it and looked down. No one else responds visibly to the fall until 5 or 6. Mary never seems to respond to it (her head doesn't turn right).

There is also the look of Morgan and Corey's foot being in the same line out from rail on the track in photo 4 but not at the same place as in a step. Morgan's foot is already lifting off and Corey's isn't yet on the ground.

I say the contact came before this when Corey looks down and the contact is caused by Morgan back kicking into Corey.

Why move up ? She may be a world beater at 1500 championship races - we just have no way of knowing for the past several years.

I hope you understand that your insight/opinion is highly dangerous to certain individuals.

Yes, that would be a more valuable thread than five on the "Uceny Fall".

Running in a pack of a contact sport. That's what elbows are for. There was no foul.

I've always thought, and I'm not claiming any great form knowledge, Uceny's form looked a bit rigid. I compare it to Ryan Hall's form. Maybe non-fluid would be a better description. Maybe that lack of fluidity contributes to her falling when she gets clipped or bumped.

I'm a big Morgan fan, so I hope she finds the podium in a major event soon.

Really....are those your rules (opinions)? You know it is possible Morgan tripped over her own feet, after reviewing the video I can't tell for sure what happen.....maybe Mcgee didn't clip her?....One think is for sure, I'm glad you are not judge, jury, and executioner!

PhysMech wrote:

BigDaddyWooWoo wrote:

PhyMech...did you watch the first 150 meters of the women's 800 meter run, if you did? How many runners should of been DQ (watch towards the back)?

You would expect possible contact in the first part of a 800m or 1500m race, as the runners merge and try to establish a position. But after a race has stabilized, runners simply have to give each other room. It's either a contact sport or it isn't. I say it should be non-contact.

Whether it is or isn't a contact sport the problem is that USATF is totally inconsistent on how they deal with disqualifications for obstructions. Originally they had Rutt DQ'ed for causing Jock's fall but not McGee for causing Uceny's. However Rutt was later reinstated to the results. But Hartle was DQ'ed, and stayed DQ'ed, for something that didn't effect anyone else in the race. If tripping someone by crowding them isn't illegal than how is what Hartle did illegal?

This of course also points to the Indoor DQ's as what Grunewald and presumably Hill did was essentially identical and one was eventually reinstated while the other was not (regardless of whether they DQ'ed the wrong person or not).

Like I posted earlier, I reviewed the footage frame by frame. I saw three touches of Uceny's back kick to McGee's leg. after the first touch it was McGee's responsibility to back off or go around. Same with the second. The third time Uceny went down. Apparently the officials saw the same thing and DQ'd McGee.

In this race it looks like contact with McGee. Its possible Uceby came in a little bit but McGee was running close behind with a footfall but between Cain and Uceny.

Otherwise, people on this board are just mean.

Daegu - not her fault. Kenyan falls in front of her

www.youtube.com/watch?v=jV1htwr_kME

London - not her fault. Clipped from behind as sprinting starts.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWzqfiWRE9Q

In this race it looks like contact with McGee. Its possible Uceby came in a little bit but McGee was running close behind with a footfall but between Cain and Uceny.

Otherwise, people on this board are just mean.

Daegu - not her fault. Kenyan falls in front of her

www.youtube.com/watch?v=jV1htwr_kME

London - not her fault. Clipped from behind as sprinting starts.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWzqfiWRE9Q

Deadman Running wrote:

Like I posted earlier, I reviewed the footage frame by frame. I saw three touches of Uceny's back kick to McGee's leg. after the first touch it was McGee's responsibility to back off or go around. Same with the second. The third time Uceny went down. Apparently the officials saw the same thing and DQ'd McGee.

Except that according to this she wasn't DQ'ed:

The fact that they reinstated Rutt makes me think there won't be a DQ in this race.

In this race it looks like contact with McGee. Its possible Uceby came in a little bit but McGee was running close behind with a footfall but between Cain and Uceny.

Otherwise, people on this board are just mean.

Daegu - not her fault. Kenyan falls in front of her

www.youtube.com/watch?v=jV1htwr_kME

London - not her fault. Clipped from behind as sprinting starts.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWzqfiWRE9Q

PhysMech wrote:

Runners simply have to GIVE THE OTHER COMPETITORS ROOM or be disqualified.

Said no one who has ever run in a real race. Ever.

Come on man, you really think you can run in a top level meet with no contact? Go to Europe and race there and report back.

Deadman Running wrote:

Like I posted earlier, I reviewed the footage frame by frame. I saw three touches of Uceny's back kick to McGee's leg. after the first touch it was McGee's responsibility to back off or go around. Same with the second. The third time Uceny went down. Apparently the officials saw the same thing and DQ'd McGee.

Give us some details on what you can see that no one else sees. Where we're the 3 touches ie Morgan's foot to Corey's knee.

The runner behind is just as entitled to their space as the runner in front. You can hit someone from the front without them running in to you.

Didn't Uceny also fall in the DL final at Zurich in 2010? So this is the 4th time and not the 3rd that Uceny fell in arguably her biggest race of the year.

I never said her knee,I said her leg. One in the knee area and two in the shin. Each time was Uceny's left foot to Mcgee's left leg. I'd be willing to bet that McGee's left leg has spike marks on it. And you are correct, a runner from behind is entitled to their space - but if they keep running into the runner in front them of them they are encroaching on the lead runners space. You can't just keep running up on someone. Either back half a step or go around. And that was exactly the problem here - Corey's left foot forward was at the same time as Morgan's left foot back kick. And, since Morgan was the front runner, Corey impeded on her space.