RE: Cheating at Marathons

Don't worry AtoA. Thats just Steve-o using Option 1 distract again. No one ever bites when he tries Option 2 legal threats. And when he tries Option 3 ignore... the thread stays on page one anyway.... someday maybe he and PM will move to option 4, admit it!!! Seriously PM. If you did, we'd all lose interest and go on with our lives.

Split 8 is on Mount Whitney, 131-135. I have zero doubt she was driven at least partly up the mountain on that section as well.

Miles 91-122 is the desert portion where PM went MIA on the course. This is where PM got in the van. This is where she would have had to run by others, but didn't.

She had to cheat multiple times. This is a mufti day event and she had to cheat just to stay in the game.

Miles 91-122 because she was drastically behind pace and 48 hr finish. She was dead last. Hours behind suggested cut off times. 24 min per mile pace leading up to this section. Then suddenly jacks it up to. 18 min per mile? Suuuuure

She also cheated mIles122-135 up Mt Whitney as she lacks any degree of athleticism to complete such a grueling climb. For her to be 5/18 female on this section is not possible. Look at her.

This is such an embarrassment to BW and all it's participants. Nobody wants to be associated with her or her two BW finishes.

2x BW CHEATER!

a question that needs answer wrote:

Don't worry AtoA. Thats just Steve-o using Option 1 distract again.

No, 'not Steve-o' but I know what you mean.

'2x cheater at BW' seems to have cleared it up.

All runners are strongly encouraged to have passed, and be proceeding forward, beyond the following locations along the race route within the specified time cut-offs:


Lone Pine at Mile 45 (3.5mph): within 13 hours.

PM arrived at 12:57

Cerro Gordo at Mile 67 (3.35mph): within 20 hours.

PM arrived at 19:41


Darwin Turn-Off at Mile 92 (3.0mph): within 30 hours.

PM arrived at 32:25 - now 2hrs 25mins behind cut off


Lone Pine at Mile 124 (3.0mph): within 42 hours.


PM arrived at 41:44 - suddenly caught up to the cutoff time.

SHe wanted to finish, and it wasn’t going to happen. So she made it happen. Other folks were probably sad that they’d spent $1000 and told their friends about the race, only to come home with a DNF. Not our PM. She's gonna finish this race somehow or other…

PM 6:53:00 6:04:00 6:44:00 3:56:00 2:18:00 6:30:00 9:19:00 3:01:00 and finish split 1:21:10

7/18 for split 8 and finish was 7/18. For some reason the ultrasignup results page has different headings than description on BW results. Not sure why? Sorry for the confusion on my part. Not quite as impressive but puts thing in perspective. Wanted to make sure so I double checked.

Parveneh wants him wrote:

She cheated just to get to BW wrote:

Here is my favorite pic of this fine athletic specimen.

http://endurancebuzz.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/parvaneh_badwater14.jpg

Here's my favorite pic:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t1.0-9/10300148_10204199678611114_3967127435930042590_n.jpg

Is that Steve?

Go figure!

No, the OP in happier days when he and PM were pals.

no, though there are pics of Steve on this thread somewhere ... thats the Elks 5k guy... who may or may not be the Concerned San Antonion that started this thread.

Apples to Apples wrote:

Not quite as impressive but puts thing in perspective.

I'm still impressed.

You can't catch me, I'm the I Ran Marathon Woman!

How do you make up that much time? Seriously, is this actually possible?

phredryka wrote:

SHe wanted to finish, and it wasn’t going to happen. So she made it happen. Other folks were probably sad that they’d spent $1000 and told their friends about the race, only to come home with a DNF. Not our PM. She's gonna finish this race somehow or other…

Well, she is famous for her impeccable timing and pace judgment so you shouldn't expect anything less.

Here's a cute picture of Steve and PM

Zapped wrote:

here he is with pm

https://www.flickr.com/photos/31215162@N07/7659948638/

phredryka wrote:

Here's a cute picture of Steve and PM

Zapped wrote:

here he is with pm

https://www.flickr.com/photos/31215162@N07/7659948638/

Taken after a race that had timing chips. Notice anything unusual about the splits, unusual for PM anyway:

5K 29:37.6 9:32/M 3.107 29:37.6

10K 30:56.0 9:57/M 6.214 1:00:33.7

15K 31:04.6 10:00/M 9.321 1:31:38.3

20K 31:39.9 10:11/M 12.428 2:03:18.2

25K 32:41.0 10:31/M 15.535 2:35:59.2

30K 34:29.8 11:06/M 18.642 3:10:29.1

35K 35:16.5 11:21/M 21.749 3:45:45.7

40K 37:24.9 12:02/M 24.856 4:23:10.6

45K 37:50.3 12:11/M 27.963 5:01:00.9

50K 37:04.6 11:56/M 31.070 5:38:05.6

OK. I'll bite. TZ (accused PM of cheating)Mile 45-59 : 26 min/mileMile 75-91 : 28:53Mile 91-122: 17:03 (Whoa!)Not saying he cheated, but the splits need explaining...

who runs so fast wrote:

Care to compare TZ's same splits?

Shaved beef, shaved 6 min wrote:

The POWER of BEEF!

Mile 45-59 : 18:08

Mile 75-91 : 24:22 (this is where she got desperate)

Mile 91-122: 18:01 (this is where the cheating happened)

SIX MINUTES PER MILE FASTER!!!

Like PMs 2 hour nap at the hotel, you also would need to do same for Thomas. It can make the splits seem extremely fat if they are not removed. Not saying he took big long naps but you never know. Therefore the splits are not likely that significant

Break factor wrote:

Like PMs 2 hour nap at the hotel, you also would need to do same for Thomas. It can make the splits seem extremely fat if they are not removed. Not saying he took big long naps but you never know. Therefore the splits are not likely that significant

If PM's 18 minutes per mile pace is "amazing", "world-class", and "impressive", then TZ's 17 mpm is even more so.

As was mentioned before, TZ isn't the subject of this thread and he's got a fairly consistent track record from what I was able to see. What's important to note is the fact that he came on this forum and posted his name and what he witnessed. He hid nothing and even offered the following as an explanation to those who questioned him:

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TZ wrote: hahaha...i'm sure. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Honestly, the heat and GI issues really took its toll on me. The blisters were a killer too. I have a picture of surgery being performed on one my shoes to relieve some pressure. lol

But yes, the trek from lone pine to the summit of Cerro Gordo was painful and very long. Many short naps and one long one at the summit was a big help.

That's how PM caught up to me.

as far as the split from Darwin to lone pine, here's how i did it.

i looked at my watch and i said to myself, F@#CK!!! I have less than 15hrs to cover 44 miles. I got up and told my crew, we're running and i'm not stopping. so, that's what we did. I had no more GI issues, the team was constantly keeping me cool, messages from my supporters on FB were being shouted out, and cars passing by giving me a thumbs just motivated me to do what i love best. So, if anyone thinks i cheated, then i'm sorry to dissappoint them.

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Plausible and likely accurate description of what happened to him on the course. I'm good with that because he had the guts to come on here and respond.

PM or her crew have yet to respond to the questions raised and as time goes on, more and more folks are looking into other races to see if a pattern exists. RR100 is a good example. It's the lack of response or at least some kind of explanation that bothers folks. DF reported that he confronted her at BW and got no response. I guess we shouldn't hold our breath for one either.

Mirror, Mirror On The Wall wrote:

As was mentioned before, TZ isn't the subject of this thread and he's got a fairly consistent track record from what I was able to see. What's important to note is the fact that he came on this forum and posted his name and what he witnessed. He hid nothing and even offered the following as an explanation to those who questioned him:

His story is almost exactly the same as PM's: struggles along the way, but a big push at the end.

She cheated, but if you're going to compare her splits to others you have to compare her splits to others.