RE: Cheating at Marathons

I don't care how inspiring she is to a hobby jogger. She did not do this.

The Godfather was well loved in his neighborhood too

It's business nothing personal

Only don't tell me you're innocent

It insults my intelligence

And makes me very angry

if you google badwater 135 cheating, this thread is #3, with a couple of slow twitch forms as #2 and #4.

Unfortunately, bad water 135 has too many other blog posts and media stories for this thread to pop up.

Gotta keep up the discussion of Badwater 135 cheating at Badwater 135. If this thread shows up earlier in the results, i bet Chris Kostman will want to take actions on cheating at his Badwater 135 course b/c cheaters ruin the integrity of the race, for both other finishers, and those who DNF honorably.

Dr.Terri Wuzrbacher's Tribute wrote:

She is capable of running much faster then her recent times indicate.

Are you a complete fool?, have you really read the whole thread?

It isn't just about quality (fast times) it also about quantity. Mind boggling achievements.

If you'd read the whole thread you'd know this.

And if you'd read the whole thread you'd know from PM's husband no less, Steve Holeman/runbigfoot, that Dr Terri apparently had some kind of "unrequited crush and irrational hero worship toward Parvaneh", so anything Dr Terri wrote can be taken with a pinch of salt because it all sounds like love struck BS to me.

Pinch of Salt wrote:

Are you a complete fool?, have you really read the whole thread?

It isn't just about quality (fast times) it also about quantity. Mind boggling achievements.

If you'd read the whole thread you'd know this.

Example:

'go away wrote:

I don't care how inspiring she is to a hobby jogger. She did not do this.

5/3/13AM marathon 5:00:00 (great perfect even time)

5/3/13PM marathon 5:45:00 (great perfect even time)

5/4/13 100 MILER 23:00 (great perfect even time)

5/5/13 marathon 7:00:00 (great perfect even time)

This needs to be investigated ASAP. There is nothing more to say. Runners know. We are runners. We don't like cheaters. Bat Crazyland has reached it's limit.'

Wake up. She is a loser and a cheater.

give it a rest Jason wrote:

69 pages of cheating thread ! wrote:

69 pages of cheating thread.

Of which 65 pages are your posts.

I can assure you that this guy Jason is not responsible for 65 pages of posts unless you are talking about the fact that he was responsible for raising the questions and pointing out the fact that something less than truthful took place on that particular day. Who in their right mind would still believe that recording a marathon, entering an "official chip" time for not only yourself, but also at least one other individual is acceptable, when in fact, we know beyond a reasonable doubt, that the she did not run the marathon that day. In fact, not did the other individual, because he was in a completely different state running an entirely different marathon.

To date, no valid explanation, reason, or excuse as to why the inaccurate, false, or misleading entry was made.

Instead, it seems that some posting here would rather ignore the facts and imply this has been a "witch" hunt. I'd suggest that what has actually happened is that someone had the guts to finally ask the hard question and others, who for whatever reason, finally decided to speak up.

While I am in no way comparing this situation to a serious crime, we see this same type of phenomenon happen when someone finally speaks up about an incident of abuse. Suddenly, other individuals, who've either witnessed or been victims themselves, begin to speak out. In most of those situations (obviously not all), the alleged perpetrator has generally displayed a similar type of behavior in the past.

What it really comes down to is being able to analyze the facts and then come up with something close to the truth. I guess it is up to the RDs to determine their course of action when allegations of cheating are made. I would only hope that any credible allegations brought to their attention and then be investigated in accordance with the published rules or guidelines for that particular race. Anything less than trying to determine the truth is less than fair to each and every participant who, in good faith, entered the race based on the assumption that everyone would be held to the same standard. Just my 2 1/2 cents worth.

Karma Chris. Karma. You knew it was coming after you sat there quiet like it never happened. Badwater 135 Loves Cheaters!

Honest runners take your $1000 and run two quality events before lining Chris's pockets.

Dr.Terri Wuzrbacher's Tribute wrote:

You are making personal attacks on someone. People on this thread are insulting anyone who doesn't do what they want. Insults are not business. Insults are personal and they are meant to hurt people.

Example:

Posts by 'runbigfoot' on Page7 and Page13 of this thread.

Pinch of Salt wrote:

Pinch of Salt wrote:

Are you a complete fool?, have you really read the whole thread?

It isn't just about quality (fast times) it also about quantity. Mind boggling achievements.

If you'd read the whole thread you'd know this.

Example:

'go away wrote:

I don't care how inspiring she is to a hobby jogger. She did not do this.

5/3/13AM marathon 5:00:00 (great perfect even time)

5/3/13PM marathon 5:45:00 (great perfect even time)

5/4/13 100 MILER 23:00 (great perfect even time)

5/5/13 marathon 7:00:00 (great perfect even time)

This needs to be investigated ASAP. There is nothing more to say. Runners know. We are runners. We don't like cheaters. Bat Crazyland has reached it's limit.'

You are calling someone a fool. That's not the best way to convince them of your argument.

According to you, right now, the most important thing in your life, that "Needs to be investigated ASAP" are the very slow running times of a 50 year old woman.

I emphatically suggest that you seek counseling. If this is the most important thing in your life then I feel very sorry for you. You should try to find things in this world that are actually important.

I am searching for the truth here. But people are going off about things that just aren't relevant. Insulting the Badwater RD is a foolish thing to do. What person would do what you want them do if you insult them and their business.

When I dig into the data what the data tells me that this woman is capable of doing what she says she did. Her times give evidence of this. You can't convince me that she has cheated in hundreds of races. That is ridiculous. I also highly doubt the reports that she cheated in races several years ago. If those reports were true then she would have been DQ'd immediately because the athletes would have reported it on the day of the race.

I am not a fool. I am a runner and a mathematician. I eat statistics for breakfast. I look for trends and match patterns in data. The times that Moayedi has posted are not unreasonable.

We have to look at all of her data to make any sense out of it. If we only pull a few slow data points here and there then the data is meaningless. Trends cannot be drawn from picking only the slow times. For example, runners who race don't go out at race pace for every training run. They have slow easy training runs. It seems like that is what Moayedi does for the majority of her races. Then every few months she pulls out a faster one. She has a very long history of running. The information is available if people take the time to look at it.

Pinch of Salt wrote:

Dr.Terri Wuzrbacher's Tribute wrote:

You are making personal attacks on someone. People on this thread are insulting anyone who doesn't do what they want. Insults are not business. Insults are personal and they are meant to hurt people.

Example:

Posts by 'runbigfoot' on Page7 and Page13 of this thread.

I agree. That's where I found Dr. Wurzbacher's unstuck link.

The posts from the last couple of days are absolutely ridiculous and littered with insults.

We are still waiting for the answer to a question that has been asked several times throughout this thread. How did PM run 2 different marathons in 2 different states at the exact same time?

Not to mention an answer regarding the insanely fast finish of Badwater 135 coupled with eyewitness reports of shenanigans. That someone said nice things about her a few years ago is completely irrelevant to anything here.

Geeez, I'm getting tired of this. My last contribution since this has gone on beyond ridiculous. Why the Badwater RD hasn't done shit is unbelievable. How many witnesses do you need??? Here you go, how about Google this!!!

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It does not matter how many math degrees some Internet toolbag claims he has. Anyone who thinks she ran two marathons the day before a 100 miler then ran 23:00 for the 100 is an idiot that has no clue about running 100s.

http://gettingunstuckllc.com/ wrote:

According to you, right now, the most important thing in your life, that "Needs to be investigated ASAP" are the very slow running times of a 50 year old woman.

I am not a fool. I am a runner and a mathematician.

I think you may be a fool, pinch of salt was quoting go away who was quoting final straw on that so maybe its the most important thing in final straws life but I doubt it.

We are still waiting for the answer to a question that has been asked several times throughout this thread. How did PM run 2 different marathons in 2 different states at the exact same time?

That question referred to Larry Macon. The answer was that he flew in an his private jet.

OMG, Larry Macon ran two in one day as far back as 2008.

Grizzly Marathon

8/16/08 Macon, Laurence (M63) 6:32:41 80

Extraterrestrial Full Moon Midnight Marathon

8/16/08 Macon, Laurence (M63) 6:48:08 115

How long has this been going on? What is our sport coming to when someone has the physical and fiscal ability to run marathons in two states in the same day? Doesn't the USATF have a rule about this? Do the mainiacs disallow this? I am sure Steve Boone of the 50 States Club has an opinion over this. I learned from this thread that if you run too much in one day then your legs will fall off.

Thanks for sharing this. Unfortunately, a lot of things don't add up in PM's running results. If allegations for cheating at BW prove to be true, your hero is tainted. Regarding the ultra scene alone,she's already been dq'd from Rocky Racoon 100 miler for cheating.

The reality of human nature is that we can indeed show two sides of our personalities- the warm and fuzzy AND the dishonest side. Think of how "great" Lance Armstrong was for the cancer cause, yet he was dishonoured for breaking rules in his career that he was well aware of.

Yes, this thread gets nasty, but without action from "leaders" (Chris Kostman Badwater 135 as one example in this case), upset people are going to carry on.

Sorry you have to be witness to what may very we'll be a fallen hero in your eyes.

Diane