MarathonMind wrote:
don't be so humble wrote:As opposed to the other years where you were 4th to last and 6th to last.Darren didn't do too badly in 2009 where he finished in 36:28, and just nine places back of Dean Karnazes.
http://www.badwater.com/results/And from what I can see he never DNF'd, but most importantly he doesn't seem to have lied about his races.
perhaps that was the one year he was not 'sick'
The Truth Be Told wrote:
The RD for Badwater will clearly have to address the matter and in the end, based on a preponderance of the evidence he gathers, a decision will be made. You can bet it's not going to be decided based on the contents of this thread. It will be based on eyewitness accounts, abnormalities in reported times and testimony from what appear to be at least 4-5 eyewitness accounts.
Maybe. But so far there has been one eyewitness account (where are the other 4 you talk about?) and that's it. #18 seems credible and if he and his crew say she never passed him, that's pretty damning. There are no abnormalities in her splits.
As per #18, there were 3-4 additional people on his support team who did not see PM pass him at any point on the back half of the course. My apologies if it sounded like I was saying there were 4-5 other participants.
Verrrrrry Interesting wrote:
[quote]The Truth Be Told wrote:
...so far there has been one eyewitness account (where are the other 4 you talk about?) and that's it.
Not seeing someone do something is the exact opposite of an eyewitness account. He said he was sick. Probably vomiting on the side of the road when she ran past him.
By his statements, she suddenly appeared at the finish line in front of him. He says that he was in front of her for the entire race except for the first hour.
He said he has no interest in this, but he posted because, "I was asked to comment on this discussion."
That means there is a concerted effort to discredit this woman that he claims to not know until a few weeks ago. He said everyone knows everyone at Badwater.
He lost to her last year so by his own statement he would have known her from 2013. That makes his accusations seem premeditated. You are right he has no horse in the race and that's because he is one of the horses in this race. Runners are competitive especially when the get passed in the final yards, or in this case, miles of a race.
There are many holes in his "eyewitness accounts." This is a witch hunt. Losing to someone twice gives motivation to try to discredit them.
Darren...takes lots of courage to call someone out and tell it like it is...WAY to go... those of us in San Antonio appreciate you...totally!!! And just like that Lance dude...he got caught and the truth finally came out! Everyone on here has been reading truth for some weeks now, and the more we hear the more we learn that there is a lot more than even we knew!
fishy... wrote:
Verrrrrry Interesting wrote:[quote]The Truth Be Told wrote:
...so far there has been one eyewitness account (where are the other 4 you talk about?) and that's it.
Not seeing someone do something is the exact opposite of an eyewitness account. He said he was sick. Probably vomiting on the side of the road when she ran past him.
By his statements, she suddenly appeared at the finish line in front of him. He says that he was in front of her for the entire race except for the first hour.
He said he has no interest in this, but he posted because, "I was asked to comment on this discussion."
That means there is a concerted effort to discredit this woman that he claims to not know until a few weeks ago. He said everyone knows everyone at Badwater.
He lost to her last year so by his own statement he would have known her from 2013. That makes his accusations seem premeditated. You are right he has no horse in the race and that's because he is one of the horses in this race. Runners are competitive especially when the get passed in the final yards, or in this case, miles of a race.
There are many holes in his "eyewitness accounts." This is a witch hunt. Losing to someone twice gives motivation to try to discredit them.
You sound like the type who blames the victim. Or at best, shoots the messenger. 100 to 1 odds that you are closely associated with the alledged cheater. Interesting IP address...
AND HER IP ADDRESS IS??? DON'T KEEP IT FROM US!!!! WE MUST BURN HER.
JET. wrote:
AND HER IP ADDRESS IS??? DON'T KEEP IT FROM US!!!! WE MUST BURN HER.
He doesn't know it, but if you want to burn her just go to her Facebook site.
I have no dog in this fight. Seven hour marathoners and back of the packers like these two are no concern to me. However, this guy IS a liar. He obviously cannot see the IP of the other poster unless he is an admin of the forum software - which he is not.Carry on.
You are super creepy wrote:
fishy... wrote:Not seeing someone do something is the exact opposite of an eyewitness account. He said he was sick. Probably vomiting on the side of the road when she ran past him.
By his statements, she suddenly appeared at the finish line in front of him. He says that he was in front of her for the entire race except for the first hour.
He said he has no interest in this, but he posted because, "I was asked to comment on this discussion."
That means there is a concerted effort to discredit this woman that he claims to not know until a few weeks ago. He said everyone knows everyone at Badwater.
He lost to her last year so by his own statement he would have known her from 2013. That makes his accusations seem premeditated. You are right he has no horse in the race and that's because he is one of the horses in this race. Runners are competitive especially when the get passed in the final yards, or in this case, miles of a race.
There are many holes in his "eyewitness accounts." This is a witch hunt. Losing to someone twice gives motivation to try to discredit them.
You sound like the type who blames the victim. Or at best, shoots the messenger. 100 to 1 odds that you are closely associated with the alledged cheater. Interesting IP address...
After my previous post I hoped that two other "anonymous" hypocrites would finally tire of this. I knew who they were and thought they were smart enough to realize this. I was wrong. Mentally ill people don't get it. Psychopaths think they are smarter than everyone else. Their personal attacks just get more ridiculous but also degrade into threats and eventually violence. They have crossed the line into cyber harassment and cyber stalking.
Libel and lies don't become true just because someone posts multiple times on the internet.
Doctor Commander Terry is OCU78, Alibaba and a few other posters. It is known that she had an unrequited crush and irrational hero worship toward Parvaneh. It is primarily her and Denize feeding off of each other and trying to "stir up shit." We know that she doesn't have a lot to lose by defaming and backstabbing someone who was her friend. Parvaneh waited over 2 hours after finishing the Austin Marathon just to make sure that Terry was safe. Parvaneh supported Terry's slow entry into ultra running since she hadn't trained enough to finish a marathon before the cut-off. It appears that Terry has Become Stuck on defamation. I highly encourage her to take her own advice and “Get Unstuck” rather than to continue making hypocritical accusations. The truly sad thing is that Parvaneh encouraged and supported Terry by staging several multi-day 100 mile races just for Terry to run them because it was her "life long dream" to run a 100 miler. Given over 40 hours to finish, Parvaneh paced and also brought out her friends to support and pace Terry. I would warn anyone who is her friend to read these posts to see how she treats friends. Do you advise your clients to create fake facebook accounts and harass people who are trying to ignore them?
Denize posts primarily as JET and few other posters. Denize also suffers from hero worship syndrome. Less than a year ago she moved to San Antonio for 4 months to set her own Guinness World Record by running over a hundred of Parvaneh's races. Unfortunately, Denize didn't follow through with the paperwork to certify her record. She is notorious for not following through. She often goes to events or signs up for races then never participates. She calls anyone she disagrees with a cheater and then spews a never ending diatribe of bat shit crazy statements. Before coming to this forum, Denize had already posted defaming hashtags on Facebook. This has put her on the Facebook Batshit Crazy Watchlist. Does her husband and family know how she spends her free time. From Facebook she transitioned to using anonymous cyberbravery to conduct cyber harassment. Parvaneh supported, encouraged, and put on races at Denize's request. Yet Denize comes here to criticize Parvaneh for the same races that Denize ran. Ragging on someone just because they go slow is pathetic. You do realize that Parvaneh finished several marathons in a boot because of her broken foot this past spring. Following through is something that winners do. Losers complain.
Ladies, read Doctor Terry's blog and take that advice rather than feeding off of each other's hate.
We all now know that Terry likes to capitalize to be emphatic, so how about this. Move On Bitches: GET UNSTUCK and then take a flying leap on a rolling DONUT.
Here's a thread that discusses this illness. Initially, sufferers have an overly protective love. Later it is followed by intense hate once they realize that the hero is merely human.
Seems to me if this "Denize" woman has already put negative things all over facebook and signed her name then she wouldn't have any reason to remain anonymous here? So, somebody whatever... got it all wrong. What I'm reading is the runners know the truth. Don't know much about Badwater - but looks like finishing is an accomplishment regardless of first or last...I don't read where this "Darren" complains about not winning...sounds like he was running to finish as in the past. Anyone out there at any race noticing anything irregular, cheating, cutting a course and reporting it...that's called integrity.
Ok - starting over - pushing aside who wrote what about whom - Don't care about Rd running races - Don't care about world records. Keeping to one topic:
Badwater - Did she cheat?
Numerous Badwater finishers have now confirmed she cheated at Badwater 2014. She was the ass of the race for 2/3 of the race according to the time time splits. Then miraculously she jumped to the top 50 % of segment times and secretly passed numerous runners despite them never seeing her pass them on the in the course. I heard this is similar to 2013. Roccy race? Anyone have that data ?? Please share !!!!! Truth is out. TX is happy about that Steve, take ur meds my friend. Btw, I heard ur crew is starting to crack regarding your story. Better huddle up and herd the cats before u crack. This is only going to get worse for you.
Runbigfoot wrote:
Mentally ill people don't get it. Psychopaths think they are smarter than everyone else. Their personal attacks just get more ridiculous but also degrade into threats and eventually violence. They have crossed the line into cyber harassment and cyber stalking.
Doctor Commander Terry is OCU78, Alibaba and a few other posters. It is known that she had an unrequited crush and irrational hero worship toward Parvaneh.
Is it just me or is this thread getting really weird?
Is it just me? wrote:
Is it just me or is this thread getting really weird?
Yes. This thread is somehow getting even more WTF.
Can we get a recap of this thread for those that haven't been following all along?
I would prefer bullet points to a long paragraph, thanks.
Also, I would prefer the recap be done by someone who isn't personally involved. A Letsrunner who has only been following this thread and does not have a dog in the fight. Thanks again.
A couple thoughts
1) "Darren" would have no reason to lie about PM cheating
2) However, how do we know that is really Darren posting?
Recap:
1. This Parvesh woman is accused of falsifying results for marathons for which she is the race director. Both for her and a friend. The races seem more like a weekly running group but she charges like $80 to run a marathon back and forth along a trail.
2. More interesting is that she is now accused of cheating at this year's Badwater. Participant #18 and his crew have eyewitness accounts of her being behind them, never passing them, then showing up higher in the results. This is along a straight desert road where it is almost impossible for someone to pass without them noticing.
3. Lots of crazy posts I can't really follow that try to distract us from the cheating accusations.
your welcome
"Concerned San Antonian" started the thread with a confusing and poorly-written rant about PM cheating at some race that only people who actually ran it knew existed.
Others posted and clarified what the OP was talking about.
There is apparently a thing where folks try to run the most marathons in a year. PM helps this out by hosting nearly daily "official" marathons on a trail in San Antonio. She charges way less than I would charge to spend a day watching four people run back and forth.
Larry Macon is another of these record chasers and he had official results for two marathons on the same day: one in Utah and one of PM's San Antonio marathons, with the same time as her. This has never been explained.
The OP claimed to be a disinterested observer who is only concerned with the integrity of obscure races and records but pursued PM with an inexplicable fervor.
There was a rabbit trail about a suspicious 5k split in a marathon PM ran. This turned out to be a well-known deal due to a train interrupting the race.
Runbigfoot said he was Steve Holehan and claimed to out the OP as Jason E. Reichenberg, who put on a race with PM, lost money, and is pissed because she won't help pay. Here is a photo of the lovebirds in happier times:
Since then, Concerned SanAntonion hasn't posted, but there have been lots of accusatory posts with the same style posted under other names.
The focus shifted to PM's Badwater results. There was a lot of bluster about how everyone knows she cheated even though this is the only place I could find this accusation. There was some business about her splits, but her splits are not really suspicious and what can you make out of a 40 mile split anyway.
Someone posted with the name of an actual Badwater competitor and claimed PM was behind him the whole way but finished ahead of him without him ever seeing her pass. He claimed his crew saw the same.
Runbigfoot outed a couple more names in a high WTF factor post that rambled about mental illness and referenced several things that weren't part of the thread and I have no idea what he's talking about.
And that brings us to the present.
better recapper wrote:
And that brings us to the present.
The present being...Cheating at Badwater...
Yes or no?
Does she even know about these accusations?
I do see she is running a double marathon this weekend
