Wow Wow Wow!! The greatest 5000 in NCAA history. Lawi comes back on Ches!!! NCAA Record. UO goes 2-3-4!!!

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  • logician
    5 years ago 06/13/2014 9:16pm CDT
    re: Mrr82
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    Mrr82 wrote:

    logician wrote:

    Mrr82 wrote:

    logician wrote:

    Mrr82 wrote:

    logician wrote:

    I'm glad Lawi won after leading for so much of the race.

    It looks like we have found a chink in Cheserek's armor.

    If the pace is fast, he is vulnerable, as we saw in the pac 12 1500.

    Good run by both Lawi & Edward. Both under the old NCAA championship record.

    Um no, stop smoking crack. There is no chink is his armour, there is just a man named Lawi who when fit is better than ches. 3:33 and 13:00 last year is no joke.


    No.

    Edward beat him indoors off of a slow pace.

    Edward has blown everyone away off of a slow pace.

    When the pace is fast or moderate, he isn't able to kick as hard, and thus, he is more vulnerable.


    Again stop smoking crack. Everyone knows Lalang wasn't at his best indoors. When Lalang is fit he can do huge things.

    And are you captain obvious? When the pace is fast he can't kick as hard? Nobody can kick as hard when the pace is faster than slow. That's how running works....


    Was everyone else not at their best either?

    In slow races, Edward has destroyed everyone in a kick.

    Off of a faster pace, he has not been as dominant.

    Sorry this is hard for you to understand.


    Nobody else was a 3:33/13:00 guy. Wake up. Sorry it's hard for you to understand that you're clueless. It was well known lawi was off his game indoors. Off a faster pace he has only lost to one guy, and was just as dominant leaving everyone other than Lawi in the dust. A fit lawi can kick with ches in a slow race too.


    In slow races, Edward has destroyed everyone in a kick.

    Off of a faster pace, he has not been as dominant.

    Sorry this is hard for you to understand.
  • Trialswatcher
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    5 years ago 06/13/2014 9:17pm CDT
    re: isisk
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    Some of this is the stupidest shit ever written on here.

    Ches went deep two nights ago running 53.2 last 400

    Runs 13:18.7x tonight and people are giving him shit?


    Against a guy who has run almost 13:00? Who is at least two years older? No one seems to question LaLang's age?

    Other than Rono who was 24/25/26 when he was kicking people asses and folks on here worship him, he has done pretty well as a 20 year old frosh.

    and for the uninformed ,Ches often looked like that arms flapping when he was out of gas in HS or running 1:49.x

    He could have easily laid back for second and he never gave in, off 13:20's pace. and you're right, I have become a fan, was not always.
  • Batshitdumur
    5 years ago 06/13/2014 9:18pm CDT
    re: logician
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    logician wrote:

    isisk wrote:

    logician wrote:

    Was everyone else not at their best either?

    In slow races, Edward has destroyed everyone in a kick.

    Off of a faster pace, he has not been as dominant.

    Sorry this is hard for you to understand.




    You're a retard. He's not failing at understanding you. He's telling you that everyone has the same chink so it's dumb to even point it out. The faster you run, the slower your kick will be. If you run fast enough, you will not have a kick at all. Learn to read.


    Some people have trouble kicking off of a fast pace.

    Others do not.

    Sorry this is hard for you to understand.


    I'm a 1:50 800 guy, when I go out in 65 I can kick really hard!!!. When I go out in 49 I struggle kicking as hard and seem to close really slowly. I think I have the same problem you're describing. Or maybe I'm just bat shit dummmmm like you.
  • logician
    5 years ago 06/13/2014 9:23pm CDT
    re: Batshitdumur
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    Batshitdumur wrote:


    I'm a 1:50 800 guy, when I go out in 65 I can kick really hard!!!. When I go out in 49 I struggle kicking as hard and seem to close really slowly.

    See:

    logician wrote:

    I didn't say close to their PR, just fast.

    your welcome
  • Kapcherop
    5 years ago 06/13/2014 9:34pm CDT
    re: Bad Wigins
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    You got to give it to King Ches! He has come a long way. Remember when Lawi broke the 5000m NCAA indoor record, recording 13'08? King Ches could only manage 13'57 that day! Fast forward a little over two years and King Ches almost takes down Lawi! And that is after taking down Kennedy Kithuka in the 10000m two days ago!
  • Answer
    5 years ago 06/13/2014 9:37pm CDT
    re: Kapcherop
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    How good is Cheserek? I am wondering if he could go sub 13:10. I was not thinking this guy could be an elite Kenyan but now I wonder.
  • Final Buzzer
    5 years ago 06/13/2014 9:38pm CDT
    re: logician
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    We still don't know what Ches can do in a DL type rabbited gravy train race, but after tonight I'm thinking 13:02-4. Maybe not the fastest Kenyan junior ever, but he is something special for sure.
  • J.R.
    5 years ago 06/13/2014 9:39pm CDT
    re: Shawn H
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    Shawn H wrote:

    Usually, if two runners are evenly matched, the drafter has the advantage.

    I totally disagree with that.

    My long time training partner had more speed than me. If I followed him, then he had the advantage unless he set too fast of a pace. The only way for me to have the advantage was to lead, and to run him out before we got to the finish.

    The same is true for many others as well, and I think it is quite dumb that more people don't use this tactic.
  • jay arr
    5 years ago 06/13/2014 9:44pm CDT
    re: J.R.
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    J.R. wrote:

    Shawn H wrote:

    Usually, if two runners are evenly matched, the drafter has the advantage.

    I totally disagree with that.

    My long time training partner had more speed than me. If I followed him, then he had the advantage unless he set too fast of a pace. The only way for me to have the advantage was to lead, and to run him out before we got to the finish.

    The same is true for many others as well, and I think it is quite dumb that more people don't use this tactic.




    Good job failing at reading comprehension JR
  • Yep636262
    5 years ago 06/13/2014 9:45pm CDT
    re: Shawn H
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    Shawn H wrote:

    You have to admit that Lalang showed great strength in leading the entire race with Cheserek drafting the whole time. It's a lot of pressure to lead an entire 5K with your biggest competition sitting right behind you. Usually, if two runners are evenly matched, the drafter has the advantage. Great race by both, though.

    Ladling didn't lead the entire race. Not even close.
  • charles is here
    5 years ago 06/13/2014 9:46pm CDT
    re: J.R.
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    Lots of Kenyans come over to run but why no Ethiopians? Imagine if Hagos Gebrhiwet was running 12:4x in the NCAA, he's only "20" right now. He'd make Ches look slow.
  • LosersRant.com
    5 years ago 06/13/2014 9:48pm CDT
    re: Trialswatcher
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    Trialswatcher wrote:

    Some of this is the stupidest shit ever written on here.

    Ches went deep two nights ago running 53.2 last 400

    Runs 13:18.7x tonight and people are giving him shit?


    Against a guy who has run almost 13:00? Who is at least two years older? No one seems to question LaLang's age?

    Other than Rono who was 24/25/26 when he was kicking people asses and folks on here worship him, he has done pretty well as a 20 year old frosh.

    and for the uninformed ,Ches often looked like that arms flapping when he was out of gas in HS or running 1:49.x

    He could have easily laid back for second and he never gave in, off 13:20's pace. and you're right, I have become a fan, was not always.

    On liars rant.com there is always plenty of stupid.

    Lawi ran a great race no doubt about it. It was clear from how close it was at the end that Lawi HAD to run this type of race to beat Ches. But he wouldn't had the time he did without Kithuka and Ahmed taking the lead for stretches and without Ches running his best time ever and pushing Lawi very hard at the end.

    Ches, who also broke the 35 year mark for the 5k as a frosh and now has 4 titles and a 2nd place finish is a phenomenal athlete and the losers on this thread trying to tear him down just expose how pitiful and small they really are.
  • Cenato Ranova
    5 years ago 06/13/2014 9:50pm CDT
    re: charles is here
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    charles is here wrote:

    Lots of Kenyans come over to run but why no Ethiopians? Imagine if Hagos Gebrhiwet was running 12:4x in the NCAA, he's only "20" right now. He'd make Ches look slow.

    no drug testing in ethiopia
  • 30:45X-C1978
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    5 years ago 06/13/2014 9:50pm CDT
    re: Mrr82
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    Good Post. Dunbar ran great.

    Its about time someone recognized the Rosa Twins. Being a twin myself, and half of a Division 1 NCAA Twin distance duo from the late 70's, I've been following these guys since their freshman year in HS. And they live in the same state and county as I do.
    Letsrun (they do a great job) was a bit late to the party in recognizing these guys. Nary a word was said when Jim ran 5th in NCAA X-C.
  • Batshitdumur
    5 years ago 06/13/2014 9:56pm CDT
    re: logician
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    logician wrote:

    Batshitdumur wrote:


    I'm a 1:50 800 guy, when I go out in 65 I can kick really hard!!!. When I go out in 49 I struggle kicking as hard and seem to close really slowly.

    See:

    logician wrote:

    I didn't say close to their PR, just fast.

    your welcome


    So when I go out in 65 I'm able to close faster than when I go out in 56...is this a chink in my armor? Are you really this batshit stupid to not understand how dumb this sounds? He can't kick as hard when the pace is faster.....wow......batshit dumbbbbbb.

    "When the pace is fast or moderate, he isn't able to kick as hard, and thus, he is more vulnerable."
  • DENSE DAN
    5 years ago 06/13/2014 9:59pm CDT
    re: Trialswatcher
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    WORD.

    Trialswatcher wrote:

    Some of this is the stupidest shit ever written on here.

    Ches went deep two nights ago running 53.2 last 400

    Runs 13:18.7x tonight and people are giving him shit?


    and let's be honest, last september if you would've tried to convince someone that Ches would have the year he did, NOONE would buy it. what a frosh campaign!
  • logician
    5 years ago 06/13/2014 10:01pm CDT
    re: Batshitdumur
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    Batshitdumur wrote:

    logician wrote:

    Batshitdumur wrote:


    I'm a 1:50 800 guy, when I go out in 65 I can kick really hard!!!. When I go out in 49 I struggle kicking as hard and seem to close really slowly.

    See:

    logician wrote:

    I didn't say close to their PR, just fast.

    your welcome


    So when I go out in 65 I'm able to close faster than when I go out in 56...is this a chink in my armor? Are you really this batshit stupid to not understand how dumb this sounds? He can't kick as hard when the pace is faster.....wow......batshit dumbbbbbb.

    "When the pace is fast or moderate, he isn't able to kick as hard, and thus, he is more vulnerable."


    First of all, I think you need to calm down and quit it with the insults.

    Second of all, it is quite simple but for some reason you are not getting it. So I will attempt to explain it again.

    Some people are better in slower races because they have faster 400m speed.

    If you are racing someone that has better speed than you, and you are running at a pace that is relatively slow, and this person is with you at the end of the race, they will outkick you.

    If you want to beat this person, you need to soften them up with a faster pace. This will reduce their kick.

    I hope I've explained it simply enough now.
  • Batshitdumur
    5 years ago 06/13/2014 10:03pm CDT
    re: logician
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    logician wrote:

    Batshitdumur wrote:

    logician wrote:

    Batshitdumur wrote:


    I'm a 1:50 800 guy, when I go out in 65 I can kick really hard!!!. When I go out in 49 I struggle kicking as hard and seem to close really slowly.

    See:

    logician wrote:

    I didn't say close to their PR, just fast.

    your welcome


    So when I go out in 65 I'm able to close faster than when I go out in 56...is this a chink in my armor? Are you really this batshit stupid to not understand how dumb this sounds? He can't kick as hard when the pace is faster.....wow......batshit dumbbbbbb.

    "When the pace is fast or moderate, he isn't able to kick as hard, and thus, he is more vulnerable."


    First of all, I think you need to calm down and quit it with the insults.

    Second of all, it is quite simple but for some reason you are not getting it. So I will attempt to explain it again.

    Some people are better in slower races because they have faster 400m speed.

    If you are racing someone that has better speed than you, and you are running at a pace that is relatively slow, and this person is with you at the end of the race, they will outkick you.

    If you want to beat this person, you need to soften them up with a faster pace. This will reduce their kick.

    I hope I've explained it simply enough now.


    Except that's not what you said. You learned from others pointing out how batshitdumb you are why you were wrong.
  • Yep636262
    5 years ago 06/13/2014 10:04pm CDT
    re: J.R.
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    Leading takes more work. If two runners have equal aerobic capacity and equal finishing speed, the runner leading the whole race is at a disadvantage.

    If a runner has superior aerobic capacity, yet inferior finishing speed - he may decide to sacrifice some of his aerobic advantage by doing extra work leading the race at a fast pace - hoping that this extra work is more than offset by a reduction in his opponents finishing speed advantage.

    J.R. wrote:

    Shawn H wrote:

    Usually, if two runners are evenly matched, the drafter has the advantage.

    I totally disagree with that.

    My long time training partner had more speed than me. If I followed him, then he had the advantage unless he set too fast of a pace. The only way for me to have the advantage was to lead, and to run him out before we got to the finish.

    The same is true for many others as well, and I think it is quite dumb that more people don't use this tactic.
  • Trialswatcher
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    5 years ago 06/13/2014 10:10pm CDT
    re: Yep636262
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    Did you just think that up?


    Lalang is a 13 flat and 3:33 guy


    he beat a guy who ran 28:30 with a 53.2 last 400, who he beat at 1500

    he won by .36 it was a miracle that Ches moved too early, thinking his signature blow by last 200 would work