former NOP strength coach speaks on drugs!

I look at the gray area as looking for something in the new frontier of cheating. If it isn't banned, then it isn't cheating, that is their motto. Within the rules but unethical and probably against the rules in the future.

She took birth control pills at age 37. Anyone have any more facts?

Ucs wrote:

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Doping Expert wrote:

I look at the gray area as looking for something in the new frontier of cheating. If it isn't banned, then it isn't cheating, that is their motto. Within the rules but unethical and probably against the rules in the future.

There it is.

The guy has been linked to Balco, Gunderson, Athletics West, Slaney, quick rapid improvements......and of course Nike with the deepest pockets around and the most to gain and/or lose. I believe NOP takes the stand of most "in the gray area" (that really makes me laugh by the way)of "We have NOT tested positive...." which is because they are on to drugs and enhancements that are not yet being tested. It is never "We are clean", but like Marion Jones, Lance and every other cheat, "We have not tested positive." When there is smoke............

Evidence man wrote:

... Nike pays off WADA and USADA?

Apparently Nike skipped a payment or two for Armstrong and USADA made Nike/Lance pay the price with interest?

Armstrong had a much, much bigger ROI than anyone associated with NOP.

Not saying NOP is clean, but still waiting for shoe to drop.

Doping Expert wrote:

I look at the gray area as looking for something in the new frontier of cheating. If it isn't banned, then it isn't cheating, that is their motto. Within the rules but unethical and probably against the rules in the future.

Don't the rules basically say anything that's eventually classified as cheating is currently cheating?

Are you arguing that if we haven't "seen something", that it must be real?After 5 pages of requests for "evidence" that suggest banned substances and procedures, we've got nothing more.

You haven't seen wrote:

LM wrote:

"I haven't seen any evidence to suggest NOP dopes"

Yes, if you haven't "seen something" it must not be real.

Gundersen also studied high-low training, a legal way to boost normal EPO production. Maybe Nike hired him because he knows the ins and outs of legal ways to stimulate endogenous EPO.

c da change wrote:

Man you really are dumber than I initially thought. Why? How about money. If you knew how to do your own research you'd find that he researched the ins and outs of epo before he worked with anti doping. Why did Victor conte not work for usada but instead develop designer steroids. THE MONEY genius. No proof necessary, a guy who studied epo and knows how to pass tests is now consulted by Nike athletes. That's horrible for the sport and if you don't see that you obviously don't care about fair sport

Please provide me with proof of payment for these services ! I'm waiting. Obviously you know sooo much!

Can you explain that?

X-15 wrote:

USADA is a shill for USATF.

Plain and simple.

An interview exposing NOP doping is worth a ton of money and there are too many insiders who have said nothing. You can't get that many people to keep their mouth shut for that long and athletes don't sigh NDAs. Btw, you can't be sued bu Nike for telling the truth...whistleblower's act. Also, I can't imagine Nike wanting go after someone in the public for exposing cheating.

A professional coach, agent and sponsor expects athletes to do everything they can to achieve success 'with in the rules'.

Fratjacket wrote:

The fact that you call people on LetsRun out as "losers" proves how gd retarded you are. Suck Nike's frock all you want. The facts are right in front of you.

The Nic is hyperbole - to make a point that the vast majority of postings on this anonymous board, especially when it comes to allegations of doping, lack much in the way of rational argument or evidence. Call it "going native" if you want, but with the exception (probably uncaled for on my part) of using the word "dummy" to describe a poster who clearly misrepresented my argument in a prior post the contents of my post are based on evidence and rational argument.

You Fratjacket imply that I am "peforming fellatio" on a corporation (absurd on it's face). But contrary to your assertion that the "facts are right in front" of me, do not actually present any facts.

I would welcome rational, evidence based discussion about T&T and doping but witchhunts, conspiracies and unfounded opinions don't cut it.

sleazy sal was a jerk in the 70's, a doper in the 80's, and is a cheater now

it is as simple as that

non sequitur wrote:

LosersRant.com wrote:

But nice non sequitur...

You fail at logic. "I never read about it, therefore NOP is clean" is a non sequitur.

Agreed. "Guilty until proven innocent!" should be the cornerstone of skeptical thought, especially when riding the line of libel.

This is all self-righteous BS....should living and training at altitude be banned and illegal too? That's clearly an advantage that not everyone has.

I'm just tired of the whole debate..

please nooo wrote:

Shannon Rowbury's way too cute to "push the limits on the rules". If I found out that Miss Rowbury was doing so, I'd never watch athletics ever again. It just wouldn't be right.

Really, with that cute jaw/chin, and you think she is clean?

Everyone knows Merritt made a big mistake - he was not intentionally trying to cheat