former NOP strength coach speaks on drugs!

Nop Guilty wrote:

ah, letsrant and lm putting up defencive force shields for nike and nop. ¿did you two also defend nike favourite armstrong to the bitter end?

Yet another one of these straw-man fallacies. I get the impression you are trying to troll, yet don't seem to understand that you are failing. If you think that getting me to type responses is trolling it's safe to say you don't know what trolling is, nor fail to realize that I enjoy using responses like this as a time sink when I feel like being a lazy fvck.

You did nothing to challenge my argument or to enter into a meaningful discussion. All you did was try to paint a picture of me as a blind defender of Nike/NOP.

Which is especially amusing when you consider I have not defended NOP or Nike in any manner. NOP has had no positive tests, which means that anything used to base doping allegations on must come from hearsay. All I have done is state that so far I have not seen/heard/read of any evidence to suggest that there is doping going on within NOP. To the best of my knowledge nobody with credibility or who would be "in the know" has accused the NOP of doping. I've read several accounts now where people accuse the NOP of toeing the line of illegal vs legal, something I personally have always felt very likely that AlSal does exactly that. Doing so is not illegal however.

Perhaps where this amusing assertion that I am somehow a NOP defender or fanboy comes from is an assumption that I am somehow set in my ways, but such a conclusion could only be reached by making moronic assumptions about what I believe without knowing a thing about me.

The bottom line is this:

1)NOP has no positive tests or admissions of doping

2)To the best of my knowledge no credible source has ever claimed that NOP dopes

As I've said before, this is an "as far as I know" statement. I could be very wrong. However, it seems so far that rather than show me the gaps in my knowledge you would rather inform me of beliefs "I" hold, that I don't actually hold, rather than have some form of meaningful discussion.

LosersRant.com wrote:

But nice non sequitur...

You fail at logic. "I never read about it, therefore NOP is clean" is a non sequitur.

Ask Matthew "A-Sample" Centrowitz.

LM, do you work for Nike, or did you attend UofO?

Ucs wrote:

Mary Slaney!

Mary Slaney!

Mary Slaney!

Mary Slaney!

Mary Slaney!

Mary Slaney!

I realize its a whole different group of people, but the same coach. If lets say Mark Wetmores runner, Emma Coburn for example, failed a urine test this would definitely cripple credibility of his runner would it not?

Not necessarily. An athlete can dope without his/her coach knowing it or supporting it.

If Emma Coburn, Jenny Simpson, and Shalya Kipp were all caught doping then I would absolutely say it would cripple the credibility of all of Wetmore's runners and obviously Wetmore himself.

It's possible even that would be unrelated to Wetmore, but with that many runners it's all very unlikely Wetmore would not be involved in some way; or at least have a good idea his athletes were doping.

LM wrote:

[quote]Nop Guilty wrote:

assumptions about what I believe without knowing a thing about me.

The bottom line is this:

1)NOP has no positive tests or admissions of doping

2)To the best of my knowledge no credible source has ever claimed that NOP dopes

As I've said before, this is an "as far as I know" statement. I could be very wrong. However, it seems so far that rather than show me the gaps in my knowledge you would rather inform me of beliefs "I" hold, that I don't actually hold, rather than have some form of meaningful discussion.

Mary Slaney is a former athlete of Alberto Salazar. She failed a urine test. As far as I am concerned, this does taint my perception of Alberto Salazar.

non sequitur wrote:

LosersRant.com wrote:

But nice non sequitur...

You fail at logic. "I never read about it, therefore NOP is clean" is a non sequitur.

Ironic. You call him out for a fallacy when you yourself made one. Nobody in this thread has said NOP is clean...but you really seem to want to believe that I believe that NOP is clean.

"I haven't seen any evidence to suggest NOP dopes" is a dramatically different statement than "NOP is clean"

Ucs wrote:

Mary Slaney!

Mary Slaney!

Mary Slaney!

Mary Slaney!

Mary Slaney!

Mary Slaney!

I realize its a whole different group of people, but the same coach. If lets say Mark Wetmores runner, Emma Coburn for example, failed a urine test this would definitely cripple credibility of his runner would it not?

So we've changed the argument from providing evidence of doping by any specific NOP athlete to referencing an athlete coached by AlSal during the time period of 1996-1998??

If someone fails a drug test this would obviously call into question the credibility of the person who failed the drug test. If there's evidence of involvement by others (coaches, trainers, etc.) it would call into question their credibility. Again, evidence please not guilt by association. I'm not aware of any evidence of a NOP failing a drug test.

LM wrote:

"I haven't seen any evidence to suggest NOP dopes"

Yes, if you haven't "seen something" it must not be real.

Ucs wrote:

LM wrote:

[quote]Nop Guilty wrote:

assumptions about what I believe without knowing a thing about me.

The bottom line is this:

1)NOP has no positive tests or admissions of doping

2)To the best of my knowledge no credible source has ever claimed that NOP dopes

As I've said before, this is an "as far as I know" statement. I could be very wrong. However, it seems so far that rather than show me the gaps in my knowledge you would rather inform me of beliefs "I" hold, that I don't actually hold, rather than have some form of meaningful discussion.

Mary Slaney is a former athlete of Alberto Salazar. She failed a urine test. As far as I am concerned, this does taint my perception of Alberto Salazar.

See, this is an example of how to post for a meaningful discussion, at least as meaningful as discussion centered around hearsay can be.

I have my opinions about this, and it is something that could easily make people say "given this I have reason to think AlSal is okay with doping and might allow or implement such practices"

You haven't seen wrote:

LM wrote:

"I haven't seen any evidence to suggest NOP dopes"

Yes, if you haven't "seen something" it must not be real.

I said it must not be real? Oh wait...I just said I haven't seen or read about it.

I'm actually having way to much fun responding to every little troll comment.

non sequitur wrote:

LosersRant.com wrote:

But nice non sequitur...

You fail at logic. "I never read about it, therefore NOP is clean" is a non sequitur.

No dummy

Nop Guilty wrote:

ah, letsrant and lm putting up defencive force shields for nike and nop. ¿did you two also defend nike favourite armstrong to the bitter end?

The non sequitur was:

Armstrong denied doping, Armstrong association with Nike, Armstrong found guilty of doping,

NOP "denies" doping, NOP sponsored/associated with NIKE

iT FOLLOWS THAT

NOP guilty of doping

That's a logical fallacy - a non sequitur - it doesn't follow that NOP is guilty of doping.

okay, losersrant and lm are trolling each other, using other nics to get the troll done. excellent work, brothers..

The evidence is right in some what plain sight. Why does a shoe company have several employees drawing blood on a daily basis? Why does Nike make part of its building where this take place off limits for 99% of Nike employees? We all know the answer but Nike pays off WADA and USADA?

I have heard about the regular testing of athletes, including blood samples.

Many companies have limited access areas. It could be product development and designs. You don't want the competition knowing what you are up to, so access and need-to-know are very tight. It is very easy to hide things in large companies.

c da change wrote:

I guess you too, are not very intelligent. Go back, read my posts, I gave links. Do a quick search on the guy and BOOM. Simple, stop being lazy and uninformed.

ok sorry - didn't see your link.

this guy doesn't seem shady at all to me. Every doctor who works with athletes isn't shady.

from his bio:

Anti Doping: In an effort to stop cheating in sport, Dr. Stray-Gundersen began his Anti Doping work in 1985, where he and his colleague were the first to administer invasive blood doping testing at a World Championship event. Dr. Stray-Gundersen is considered a pioneer in the anti doping community and has continued his anti doping work with the development of the an anti doping test called SAFE — SAFE AND FAIR EVENTS — implemented in 2002.

Of course USADA won't publish the clinical data. USADA is a shill for USATF. Practically speaking, we probably wouldn't have jobs as coaches is Rupp, Farah, Cain, Symmonds, Oliver, Hall, etc. were busted. But then again, look at Major League Baseball -- nearly every pitcher is drugged as evidenced by the recent waterfall of perfect games and MLB revenues are crazy.

NOPe, nike and sleazy have ruined the sport for me. Cheating at sports is despicable, ridiculous and pathetic. I hope that every NOPer goes to prison.

The fact that you call people on LetsRun out as "losers" proves how gd retarded you are. Suck Nike's frock all you want. The facts are right in front of you.