former NOP strength coach speaks on drugs!

You do realize Lagat tested positive a few years ago right? They cleared his b sample, but let's be real a blood researcher who so happens to work with Albertos group (ironic) found in research of epo testing that "where there's smoke, there's fire".

Lagat paid his way to get the so called "negative b sample".

Lagat and all athletes under Alberto=DIRTY

Article on lagat:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/athletics/3078642.stm

Article on epo researcher that Alberto consults:

http://usathletictrust.org/hi-low-training/dr-james-stray-gundersen/

Ummm, you must be a new NOP fanboy here. It takes YEARS to prove someone was actually clean. Hint: Lance Armstrong.

marion jones also failed the a sample and passed on the EPO b sample and we later discovered she had been using EPO at the time of the test

Odds are against it wrote:

Ummm, you must be a new NOP fanboy here. It takes YEARS to prove someone was actually clean. Hint: Lance Armstrong.

What on earth are you talking about? There was an unfounded rumor that Centro failed a drug test (he didn't). Someone on this thread called that rumor "news." As I said earlier, it wasn't "news." I haven't a clue what you're trying to say.

"The only subject he said he didn't want to talk about was his experience with Nike Oregon Project. When we got one the phone, well, it was all we wanted to talk about. What follows is his half of our conversation, a very frank and revealing look inside the Nike running factory."

I do not understand why everyone is afraid to talk about what goes on in NOP facilities? What could they possibly be doing that they need to be so secretive, and everyone refuses to just outrightly discuss their experiences with them. Do NOP fans not see this growing trend secrecy in their group?

Another interesting quote,

"Very honestly, everybody in the sport knows the drug coaches. And it's not those supported by just one shoe company. Everybody knows it, but nobody will speak out because of fear of libel."

news is different wrote:

What on earth are you talking about? There was an unfounded rumor that Centro failed a drug test (he didn't). Someone on this thread called that rumor "news." As I said earlier, it wasn't "news." I haven't a clue what you're trying to say.

Don't be so stupid. The testers have the right to retest EVERY athletes samples years after they were taken. That is how it works. New rules, new testing methods, and retesting are what it is about. An athlete doesn't know for sure they are in the clear until years and years later.

"There are clean coaches working on long-term athlete development but there's a cancer in the sport and it needs to be treated. You can be the best in the world without drugs, without that gray area. Ashton Eaton [gold medalist in 2012 Olympics, world record holder in decathlon and heptathlon] is a classic example. He's as clean as clean can be. He just pays attention to every detail of training, and his success didn't come overnight."

Darn no mention of anyone from NOP described as "AS CLEAN AS CAN BE" despite those being his actual former clients.

"Some people are in a dark gray area. Say 50 is the threshold for illegality: They're going to do everything in their means to be at 49.999. They're always trying to find something new to give their athletes an edge. They called it innovation; I called it cheating. Flirting on the edge, looking for gimmicks—I have no tolerance for people who operate that way."

Another take away is this idea of gray area actually exist! It sounds like some people can get away with it. Is it just me or does the word "gimmick" resonate with Alberto Salazar?

The term "grey area" is just for stupid people who don't understand how to describe their general discomfort about something. If he has an explicit issue, he could say it with half a brain.

Bingo!

staggg wrote:

"Some people are in a dark gray area. Say 50 is the threshold for illegality: They're going to do everything in their means to be at 49.999. They're always trying to find something new to give their athletes an edge. They called it innovation; I called it cheating. Flirting on the edge, looking for gimmicks—I have no tolerance for people who operate that way."

Another take away is this idea of gray area actually exist! It sounds like some people can get away with it. Is it just me or does the word "gimmick" resonate with Alberto Salazar?

Reader the wrote:

The term "grey area" is just for stupid people who don't understand how to describe their general discomfort about something. If he has an explicit issue, he could say it with half a brain.

He talks about the "gray area" specifically in this short quote, "Say 50 is the threshold for illegality: They're going to do everything in their means to be at 49.999."

He also mentions why no one speaks out in this quote,"Everybody knows it, but nobody will speak out because of fear of libel.

He goes on in a little more detail in the full article.

Reader the wrote:

The term "grey area" is just for stupid people who don't understand how to describe their general discomfort about something. If he has an explicit issue, he could say it with half a brain.

He said it. But you didn't grasp it.

Reader the wrote:

The term "grey area" is just for stupid people who don't understand how to describe their general discomfort about something. If he has an explicit issue, he could say it with half a brain.

So cries the NOP ostrich. Get you head out of the sand and see the light!

so both this guy and magness have sort of maybe hinted that NOP is pushing the boundaries of the rules

sucks

but

I just can't believe shannon rowbury is saying 'sure coach, let's really push the limits on the rules'

I mean really?

Obviously altitude stimulates EPO production. Pretend we find other natural lifestyle changes that increase T, stimulate fat burning, etc. I would consider these fair training.

Using chemicals that artificially stimulate androgenic receptors or other performance-enhancing responses is not fair. What if you discover holding your breath in a pressurized environment makes you have more red blood cells? Surely this would be a smart way to train for your event.

What if your friend discovers he can rub an ointment on his skin that makes him have more red blood cells? Not fair

The entire NOP group is doping. They take the top talent and see who really wants to be fast. Seeing how much they can handle is probably part of their hazing. Those who leave are those who refuse to dope. Why? With all that money and power, Nike athletes get what they want. If they want to be fast, why not take something that will help you get faster?

Shannon Rowbury's way too cute to "push the limits on the rules". If I found out that Miss Rowbury was doing so, I'd never watch athletics ever again. It just wouldn't be right.

It's a simple way to look at things.Nobody with a name suspects Lagat.Your link says Dr. Gundersen is one of the good guys leading anti-doping.Alberto may be pushing science, but nothing suggests he's using banned substances or procedures.

c da change wrote:

You do realize Lagat tested positive a few years ago right? They cleared his b sample, but let's be real a blood researcher who so happens to work with Albertos group (ironic) found in research of epo testing that "where there's smoke, there's fire".

Lagat paid his way to get the so called "negative b sample".

Lagat and all athletes under Alberto=DIRTY

Article on lagat:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/athletics/3078642.stm

Article on epo researcher that Alberto consults:

http://usathletictrust.org/hi-low-training/dr-james-stray-gundersen/

rekrunner wrote:

Alberto may be pushing science, but nothing suggests he's using banned substances or procedures.

Nothing? Okay, sure..... ;-)