About 3 hours rest between. He won the 1600 by 10 seconds. He also ran 9:00 on Thursday in the 3200, winning by 12 seconds. Yesterday, he split a 1:50 in the medley, with his team clocking a nation leading 3:24.
About 3 hours rest between. He won the 1600 by 10 seconds. He also ran 9:00 on Thursday in the 3200, winning by 12 seconds. Yesterday, he split a 1:50 in the medley, with his team clocking a nation leading 3:24.
Ian milder
1:50.2 in the 4x800
4:15 in the 1600
9:08 in the 3200
50.2 in the 4x400
All in the same day.
Running the 4th best time in the nation for 800 and following that with the nation's 3rd best for 1600 trumps that quadruple by far.
cgghhjj wrote:
Yesterday, he split a 1:50 in the medley, with his team clocking a nation leading 3:24.
IA HS calls that a distance medley. LOL!!
At the Drake Relays they call it the Sprint Medley Relay. Go figure!!
I don't know why things need to get comparative.
Anyway, for those who like specifics:
Evans ran 1:50.98 to win the 800. Second place was 1:51.52.
4:06.32 to win the 1600. Second place was 4:16.
9:00.97 to win the 3200. Second place was 9:12. (Pollard and Austin ran 8:51/8:52 in a different section.)
No official split for sprint medley but no reason to question 1:50.xx for his leg.
Great performances of course but two pet peeves for me:
One, high schoolers should not be tripling and quadrupling. Two races in any one meet is enough and that was the max in my state.
Two, don't like section splits that prevent the top runners in the state from facing each other. That should be the purpose of a state meet.
cornucopia wrote:
I don't know why things need to get comparative.
Anyway, for those who like specifics:
Evans ran 1:50.98 to win the 800. Second place was 1:51.52.
4:06.32 to win the 1600. Second place was 4:16.
9:00.97 to win the 3200. Second place was 9:12. (Pollard and Austin ran 8:51/8:52 in a different section.)
No official split for sprint medley but no reason to question 1:50.xx for his leg.
Great performances of course but two pet peeves for me:
One, high schoolers should not be tripling and quadrupling. Two races in any one meet is enough and that was the max in my state.
Two, don't like section splits that prevent the top runners in the state from facing each other. That should be the purpose of a state meet.
First, in response to "That's Cute," I think merely the 4:06 (& definitely today's double) is more impressive than that day-long quadruple. But sure, Evans isn't the best HSer in the country, but he's one of them, maybe the best in IA history, and bound for big things at the next level. Hence, this congratulatory thread.
To the above poster, I've followed area track over Evans's 4 years, and his coaching staff is smart & conservative in not over-racing him. He sat out the first few meets of XC before going undefeated I think through state. At conference in track he ran only the 1600, soloing a 4:12. But at the state meet, a 3 day meet at the end of his H.S. career, contending for a team-title and with the opportunity to win 4 titles, you think it's unwise to "overtax" him? 6400m in 3 days for a strong, 18 year old 4:0x miler? What a worrisome pxssy you must be.
As for different sections, every state has large and small school divisions, but yes in this case it's a bit of a bummer. That matchup was left back at the Drake Relays.
Evans runs in 4A the largest class, Pollard and Austin are 3A.
It's the state meet, that is the time to triple or quadruple! Score as many points as possible if you have a stud like this kid. It's the last meet of the season after all and the kid is a Senior. If his team wins (or at least trophies at the meet), every kid on that team will remember and celebrate that forever. If you gotta run your superstar runner in every race you can to do it, as a coach you do it.
John Wesley Harding wrote:
cornucopia wrote:I don't know why things need to get comparative.
Anyway, for those who like specifics:
Evans ran 1:50.98 to win the 800. Second place was 1:51.52.
4:06.32 to win the 1600. Second place was 4:16.
9:00.97 to win the 3200. Second place was 9:12. (Pollard and Austin ran 8:51/8:52 in a different section.)
No official split for sprint medley but no reason to question 1:50.xx for his leg.
Great performances of course but two pet peeves for me:
One, high schoolers should not be tripling and quadrupling. Two races in any one meet is enough and that was the max in my state.
Two, don't like section splits that prevent the top runners in the state from facing each other. That should be the purpose of a state meet.
First, in response to "That's Cute," I think merely the 4:06 (& definitely today's double) is more impressive than that day-long quadruple. But sure, Evans isn't the best HSer in the country, but he's one of them, maybe the best in IA history, and bound for big things at the next level. Hence, this congratulatory thread.
To the above poster, I've followed area track over Evans's 4 years, and his coaching staff is smart & conservative in not over-racing him. He sat out the first few meets of XC before going undefeated I think through state. At conference in track he ran only the 1600, soloing a 4:12. But at the state meet, a 3 day meet at the end of his H.S. career, contending for a team-title and with the opportunity to win 4 titles, you think it's unwise to "overtax" him? 6400m in 3 days for a strong, 18 year old 4:0x miler? What a worrisome pxssy you must be.
As for different sections, every state has large and small school divisions, but yes in this case it's a bit of a bummer. That matchup was left back at the Drake Relays.
Every state has divisions but California runs all divisions against one another in the state track meet. If California can do it, so could everyone else. (California does have separate state meet competition in xc.)
My other point is not focused on Evans as an individual or his coaches. If everyone is subject to the same rules regarding participation, there is no decision to be made by individual coaches. The rules are the rules.
A three day state meet is too much. There is no need for events like medley relays at state.
Once the meet is down to two days, I think two events (particularly distance events) are enough. High school should be about development and participation. There is no developmental purpose served by tripling/quadrupling distance events.
cornucopia wrote:
John Wesley Harding wrote:First, in response to "That's Cute," I think merely the 4:06 (& definitely today's double) is more impressive than that day-long quadruple. But sure, Evans isn't the best HSer in the country, but he's one of them, maybe the best in IA history, and bound for big things at the next level. Hence, this congratulatory thread.
To the above poster, I've followed area track over Evans's 4 years, and his coaching staff is smart & conservative in not over-racing him. He sat out the first few meets of XC before going undefeated I think through state. At conference in track he ran only the 1600, soloing a 4:12. But at the state meet, a 3 day meet at the end of his H.S. career, contending for a team-title and with the opportunity to win 4 titles, you think it's unwise to "overtax" him? 6400m in 3 days for a strong, 18 year old 4:0x miler? What a worrisome pxssy you must be.
As for different sections, every state has large and small school divisions, but yes in this case it's a bit of a bummer. That matchup was left back at the Drake Relays.
Every state has divisions but California runs all divisions against one another in the state track meet. If California can do it, so could everyone else. (California does have separate state meet competition in xc.)
My other point is not focused on Evans as an individual or his coaches. If everyone is subject to the same rules regarding participation, there is no decision to be made by individual coaches. The rules are the rules.
A three day state meet is too much. There is no need for events like medley relays at state.
Once the meet is down to two days, I think two events (particularly distance events) are enough. High school should be about development and participation. There is no developmental purpose served by tripling/quadrupling distance events.
Iowa used to have a 2-day meet. Attendance is much higher and performances much better over a 3-day meet. Kids are going to quadruple regardless of the format. Having 4 distance races spread over 3 days is better than 4 races over 2 days. Iowa boys only have 18 events competed at state. 6 relays, 4 field, 2 hurdle, 6 running. No triple jump, pole vault, javelin, weight throw, hammer, or multi-event. The medley is fine and one of the fan favorites. Far better than the 4x200
If an NCAA guy runs 10k/5k in a 2day conference meet, how is that serving his development? The upper crust of T&F can't call upon HS to do one thing (not overload distance kids) and then do the opposite with their own. At the end of the day, the coach has to do what is best for his/her team total.
cornucopia wrote:
High school should be about development and participation. There is no developmental purpose served by tripling/quadrupling distance events.
First, the best way to boost participation is to field participants. The 3-day meet is just fine, with a fairly packed stadium all weekend. Cutting relays for some arbitrary reason of preference would cut participants, lower attendance, decrease revenue, and make the experience a little less fun.
(Also, the medley is a very fun & exciting race at that level. Just why drop it?)
You seem to have this idea that every kid running should be under this ultra-conservative, calculated plan to peak at 27. Well, some of these kids will never run competitively again, for starters, so why not enjoy the competition? And for a kid who is running long term, how do you think the last 3 days could have damaged Evans' development? He didn't struggle at the end of the weekend, clearly, and missed setting 4 state meet records by .01 seconds. He punched himself a ticket to the Dream Mile for a taste of next-level competition. He can rest tomorrow. Again: 4 miles--in 3 days.
I'm sure he's physically & psychologically shattered, though.
Not only was the performance by Evans impressive, Iowa puts on one of the best, if not the best, high school state championships in the country. Much to the dismay of the elitists on the coasts. Attendance wise and performance wise. Especially considering the population of the state.
As a 25 year hs coach who was surrounded by NCAA Champions, Olympic Gold Medalists and their coaches while in college, most of the posters here are correct. If the team has a chance to contend for a top place, the choice has to go with getting the most out of your athletes. In the 16 state championships and 5 runner-ups over the past 25 years I've had the pleasure of being part of, I have never had an elite athlete tell me they didn't want to do what was best for the team but wanted to save themselves for their own personal glory or future development. And I do ask the team how they want to approach our entries prior to state qualifying. I get the same response every year "We want what's best for the TEAM coach". As if I was crazy for even asking. At that point, they own their decision and their commitment to each other for the remainder of the season. They also trust me.
I think common sense prevails in that you strike while the iron is hot and as opportunities avail themselves. They may never come around again. Two of the other outstanding distance runners in another class chose to only run the 1600 & 3200. Their team had no chance to do anything else. So it was a good decision for them. However, they were both beaten by a state record 3200 time of 8:50. That athlete ran on relays as well to help his team like Evans did. So, it is a choice and you are allowed to decide what you think is best for you or your athletes but I guarantee you won't win many team titles with that train of thought.
As far as the Iowa State HS track meet goes; Until the critics sit their butts in the seats, they won't know what they are missing. World Class Facility, the best announcer in the country, over 35k raucous spectators for 3 days and great competition top to bottom both genders and all classes. Now, those that think there are too many events, well I can also guarantee you that this helps the growth/development of the sport here in Iowa because of the added participation. The bar is set very high and the 1-A schools are cranking out great performances because of it. I've coached in other states where the small schools toil in anonymity in obscure venues and don't get any recognition for their efforts. I am proud of what Iowa does for their students.
It's the elitist attitudes in this sport that don't value a grass roots approach that sustains what's going on at the top. Again, these people only prefer to enjoy the top performances as a form of entertainment but don't really understand what needs to be done to develop athletes or to win races or meets like they claim they do.
I went to HS in Iowa and have loosely followed the state meets the past 25 years, and it's really rare to see times like those. Does anyone know if he set any records?
I know in 3A Thomas Pollard ran an impressive 8:50.43 followed closely by Chandler Austin in 8:51.
Evans' 4:06.32 is a state and 4A record, the 9:00.97 is a 4A record, Pollard has the state and 3A record.
Pretty impressive year in Iowa considering the winning times in 3200 are more often than not slower than 9:20.
Fastnbulbous wrote:
I know in 3A Thomas Pollard ran an impressive 8:50.43
Very impressive but still inferior to the all time IA record. The great Jim Eicken of Davenport Central in 1975 ran 8:52 for 2 miles.
That translates to a 8:48.9 3200m, still the IA HS record holder.
I went back to 2006, earlier than that and I got error messages from the archives.
The 4A winner and his time:
2006 - Devin Allbaugh 9:21.32
2007 - Stephen Dak 9:07.34
2008 - Devin Allbaugh 9:20.88
2009 - Omet Kak 9:14.64
2010 - Andrew Swanson 9:20.58
2011 - Kevin Lewis 9:05.25
2012 - Cole Decker 9:17.65
2013 - Josh Evans 9:13.34
2014 - Josh Evans 9:00.97
3 out of 9 over 9:20, average 9:13.55
Further research has yielded that Kiel Uhl was the 4A winner in the 3200 from 03-05 in 9:26.32, 9:24.42 and 9:13.20
In the mid-70s times were very fast.
Jim Eichen (Davenport Central?) ran 8:55/56 indoor 2 mile back in 1975. Mark Johnson (Fort Dodge '73) ran about a 9:03 and Randy Jackson (Iowa City '76) 9:00, with Jon Mathiason (Fort Madison '76) going 9:02 in the same state meet race. So you can knock off 3.5 sec or so off those times for comparative 3200s.
Mathiason's teamate Ed Delashmutt (also '76) won the state mile and then won all the national post season invitaitonals, with a high school PR of 4:05.
In the same era David Korir (Cedar Rapids Washington '75) ran a 1:50.6--or so--in the 880. He went on to run 1:46 or maybe even 1:45s for ISU. Randy Wilson wasn't a high school star(he ran mid-1:50s at some small town, ca '74 or '75) star but ran 1:45 at Oklahoma, and maybe even dipped into 1:44s at some point.
Back in those days they could triple at meets but had to chose between mile and 2 mile, couldn't do both.
Have no idea how or why I remember these things.
theydidthemath wrote:
Further research has yielded that Kiel Uhl was the 4A winner in the 3200 from 03-05 in 9:26.32, 9:24.42 and 9:13.20
Here is a link to all Iowa State-Meet performances in the 3200, among other races:
http://www.iahsaa.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/2014Track-Field_STATBOOK1.pdf