One can be "clean" but still benefit from prior use. See David Ortiz.
Gatlin could be legit.
One can be "clean" but still benefit from prior use. See David Ortiz.
Gatlin could be legit.
For how long does one benefit from prior use?
MarathonMind wrote:
One can be "clean" but still benefit from prior use. See David Ortiz.
You are asserting David Ortiz is clean?
btw - wind was 0.0.
POS ATHLETE COUNTRY MARK
1 Justin GATLIN USAUSA 9.87
2 Mike RODGERS USAUSA 10.03
3 Kim COLLINS SKNSKN 10.11
4 Peimeng ZHANG CHNCHN 10.18
5 Bingtian SU CHNCHN 10.19
6 Dwain CHAMBERS GBRGBR 10.24
7 Keith RICKS USAUSA 10.29
8 Cordero GRAY USAUSA 10.35
9 Dexter LEE JAMJAM 10.43
MarathonMind wrote:
One can be "clean" but still benefit from prior use. See David Ortiz.
Gatlin could be legit.
Unless you think he was doping while he sat out, it has be close to 7 years now. I can't recall any T&F doper that was able to come back clean close to their doped performances.
So you think he's doping now?
been on IGF-1 LR3 ever since returned
with whatever testosterone could get away with .
seems to have maybe added another ped to the mix
undectable androgen ,steroid ,sarm etc .
if so top out similar time like as blake previously
and gatlin clearly looking to peak on igf for EUGENE
where can get most attention .
Absolutely the dope de jeur in athletics the moment
and every A OR A- SO CALLED SPRINTER mentioned ON IT
the difference being what else are they on like
jamicans previously and athletes like gatlin who
have assess to designer gear.
aduck2022 wrote:
been on IGF-1 LR3 ever since returned
with whatever testosterone could get away with .
seems to have maybe added another ped to the mix
undectable androgen ,steroid ,sarm etc .
if so top out similar time like as blake previously
and gatlin clearly looking to peak on igf for EUGENE
where can get most attention .
Absolutely the dope de jeur in athletics the moment
and every A OR A- SO CALLED SPRINTER mentioned ON IT
the difference being what else are they on like
jamicans previously and athletes like gatlin who
have assess to designer gear.
You need to check out the WADA website's list of banned substances and also understand how the BP works. You can still dope, but it is very difficult when you are tested frequently and compete frequently. Look for athletes from countries that have a complicit or weak AD program and they have 6 months out of the year where they don't compete and basically disappear. Gatlin is in a program where he receives more OOC testing, which is the key to catching dopers because almost no one dopes before a meet or even during the competition season.
I have a lot of reasons to believe Gatlin is clean. I saw him in 2010, slightly overweight, training alone on a local H.S. track. He was broke, pretty much a defeated man, praying for the opportunity to compete again. One of his main reasons for wanting to compete again was to show people that he did not need drugs to run fast and to restore his name. If you have a private conversation with him one of the things he states repeatedly is that doping did not help him very much and that the doping method he used only put small amounts into his system. Perhaps I am naive.
trackcoach wrote:
If you have a private conversation with him one of the things he states repeatedly is that doping did not help him very much and that the doping method he used only put small amounts into his system. Perhaps I am naive.
he's been doped all along just like gay
wada do squat ,
they have there new fabulously sensitive test
for known archaic steroids .
nothing for designer ones nor newer sarms
they could test for all these if wanted too
with an androgen test regardless if a known compound
.
i believe nothing in athletics anymore
the fix is in .
"But people who have the ‘doping with impunity’ gene variant — carriers have two copies of a particular version of a gene called UGT2B17 — do not return positive tests [analyses urine to compare levels of testosterone], even if they have been doping."
This includes 22% of African heritage, 10% Caucasian, 67% Asian (hasn't helped their running, though pretty good weightlifters, short track speed skaters, and ping pong players).
Time to ditch urine tests, blood tests would demystify a lot of things.
I would like to move beyond this discussion, and ask a new question: what time will Gatlin get down to this year?
Somebody already thought Blake territory, which is rarefied air. 9.86 or 9.87 with top legal wind is something like 9.76 or 9.77, right? So technically he could already have gone that fast, and it's reasonable to expect that he will improve on the season. So he should go sub-9.8 basic, and maybe low-mid 9.7 with a good win.
He could end up the top guy on the year, in a very good time. By this reasoning, he might even go sub-9.7 like the other poster suggested. Can you imagine? Well if Kim Collins can PR at 37 then Gatlin can PR at 32.
I hope he gets a good wind somewhere and breaks into the ranks of the uber-elite times: Bolt, Blake, Gay, and Powell.
I hate all this drug carp. Now some people have a genetic immunity to the T/E test? No wonder sprintgeezer left, I can't stand this either. So what do we do now, everybody just dopes and sees if they can get away with passing the urine test?
Vicaut is the fastest clean guy around.
9.95 at +1.7 is pretty much perfect...and he's tearing himself up doing it.
He ran only 20m of a 100m on Reunion, before pulling out with the same injury that plagued him a while back.
That is the mark of a clean sprinter--excellent believable time, while walking the fine line of injury. Not like Gatlin who runs 9.8 every week while flying around the world.
just sayin wrote:you're conveniently overlooking the long jump
pb in 1991 into a headwind aged 30
all his previous marks had big tailwinds
you do realise steroids make a big difference in long jump
but hey,don't let the facts get in the way
more nonsense
his 8.87m pb virtually nailed the board
in rome or seoul one of his jumps from toe-sand was measured at 8.90m from video
he was jumping as big in '87/'88 as '91
are there any current clean sprinters in here? I am one I tell you it is VERY difficult to even run 10.0-10.2 clean. You need 6.6/6.5 speed which is attainable if you have talent and under that is very hard. There is NO WAY I could break 10.0 clean without a good tailwind and my teammates who are faster (peds) say im the most talented on the team. Too bad I hate track Im content running low to mid 10's I could care less this sport is a joke. I always open up with 11's which is still fast for a clean guy. The guy above is right everyone is just about on the juice.
ventolin^3 wrote:
more nonsense
his 8.87m pb virtually nailed the board
in rome or seoul one of his jumps from toe-sand was measured at 8.90m from video
he was jumping as big in '87/'88 as '91
^Sometimes^ Vent forgets his medicine and he actually makes sense.
I think another factor is that Carl had a good career with little injury-hassle, and those years of training helped him; and as the folks he was running against dropped their times, so did he. I don't see that as unusual at all. Competition is a huge driver behind performance. Probably the single biggest driver.
It's not at all like Carl Lewis went from 10:07 to 9.58.
ventolin^3 wrote:more nonsense
his 8.87m pb virtually nailed the board
in rome or seoul one of his jumps from toe-sand was measured at 8.90m from video
he was jumping as big in '87/'88 as '91
"For Long Jump i give you figures at take-off for Carl LEWIS from IAF Scientific Reports, for attempts #1, 2, 3, 4, 6.
Official Dist. / Effective Dist. / Vertical V / Horiz. V / Angle of Projection
Roma'87
8.67 / 8.84 / 9.9 / 3.2 / 17.7
8.65 / 8.68 / 9.2 / 3.4 / 20.2
8.67 / 8.67 / 8.9 / 3.5 / 21.5
8.43 / 8.64 / 8.8 / 3.5 / 21.6
8.60 / 8.76 / 9.2 / 3.3 / 19.8
Seoul'88
8.72 / 8.90 / 9.3 / 3.5 / 20.8
Tokyo'91
8.91 / 8.91 / 9.72 / 3.22 / 18.3"
there is also mention from his coach that he once nailed a jump so humungous with incredible height that he got frightened mid-air & bailed out, which his coach thought wouda been 30'6 easily if he hadn't lost his nerve :
http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/discussion/viewtopic.php?p=38813#p38813I once saw Tom Tellez at a clinic speaking on the LJ. He showed many clips of Carl Lewis. He showed one particular clip in which Lewis, at mid flight, was approx. 18" higher than his norm. Tellez showed this jump superimposed on the screen against other 28'+ jumps. This was 'obviously' going to be 30+. Carl got frightened and described it as 'feeling out of control' and bailed on the jump making it a glorified run-through, landing upright and running out the back of the pit. Tellez said the run-through was legal and measured around 27'6". It was easily (his words) a potential 30'6" jump. I don't recall him saying what meet or year the jump was from, and don't know the exact physics involved, but the video was very convincing. By the way, I was at the Sports Festival meet mentioned above, sitting about 10 rows up, and can tell you that the jump was breathtaking whatever the actual distance. It was definately an abnormal performance
ALL the top sprinters are on PEDs
Usain Bolt - Tested (+) in 2011 and linked to Angel Heredia
Yohan Blake - Tested (+) in 2009, served a 3 month ban. What a joke.
Nesta Carter - Tested (+) in 2013
Asafa Powell - Tested (+) in 2013
Maurice Greene - Tested (+) and linked to Angel Heredia
Tyson Gay - Tested (+) in 2013
Tim Montgomery - Tested (+) and banned from the sport
Justin Gatlin - Tested (+) in 2001 and then again in 2006, banned for 4 years, now back on the juice for the third time. What a joke.
Ben Johnson - most famous (+) drug test of all time in 1988, banned for life in 1993.
Every single one of the above listed sprinters has tested POSITIVE during their careers. Yes even Bolt!
Usain Bolt tested positive for Performance Enhancing Drugs in 2011 But because he is such a big star and very profitable, the IAAF decided not to make it public. Instead told him that he must false start intentionally in the final of the 100m at the 2011 World Championships. This false start would then be used to disqualify him from that final. So he did false start purposely, was disqualified and allowed to continue competing in the 200m.
Want to run 9.58? Speak to Bolt's chemist Angel Heredia
Read:
http://tenpercentorless.blogspot.ca/2012/08/want-to-run-958-speak-to-bolts-chemist.html
Am I living in the twilight zone? The Boston Marathon weather was terrible!
Is there a rule against attaching a helium balloon to yourself while running a road race?
How rare is it to run a sub 5 minute mile AND bench press 225?
Move over Mark Coogan, Rojo and John Kellogg share their 3 favorite mile workouts
Mark Coogan says that if you could only do 3 workouts as a 1500m runner you should do these
Matt Choi was drinking beer halfway through the Boston Marathon