Gatlin 9.86 in Beijing, 2014

trackcoach wrote:

Ben L Wrong wrote:

At this point of the season, he is faster than his 2004-2005 doped to the gills version. Makes you wonder.

You would have to be almost insane to think Gatlin is doping. Besides a lifetime ban, Gatlin served the harshest penealty given out; 'he lost everything'. He cut ties with everyone associated with his old group and knows he is under a microscope...do you really think he is doping or is it just something cute to say. Gatlin will forever be known as an ex-doper, perhaps that is fair, but when someone has paid the price for their misdeeeds, they should be allowed to move on. Btw, his comeback is a pretty amazing story.

Moron

Koneko wrote:

Who cares if Gatlin dopes tho? Nearly all his competitors are juiced up. The fastest clean guy on Earth right now is probably that Japanese kid who wears short pink shorts.

Minus the Jamaicans, I think most of the newcomers are clean, the French and the Brits, and the young Americans as well as the Asians.

Altogether this is a very talented group and they're getting absolutely demolished by Gatlin and the top Jamaicans. And since Gay's ban ends this summer, Gay too.

Doesn't seem fair at all.

Ben L Wrong wrote:

Now, some people thinks that Ben Johnson and Flojo introduced the drugs in sprinting back in the 80's? this is the joke of the week!

Sprinters began with drugs like dianabol back in the 60's.

Although I can't prove it I believe steroids among sprinters started much earlier than that. Throwers were using steroids as soon as sports started again after WWII. Of course athletes before WWII were using PEDs as well even if modern steroids had not quite been invented yet.

I saw Bolt run as a teen before he was BOLT. I thought he was phenomenal then, this tall lanky kid towering over his rivals, yet elegant and graceful in his stride. I don't doubt there are many juicers out there but I would be most surprised if he was on the juice.

ALL the top sprinters are on PEDs

Usain Bolt - Tested (+) in 2011 and linked to Angel Heredia

Yohan Blake - Tested (+) in 2009, served a 3 month ban. What a joke.

Nesta Carter - Tested (+) in 2013

Asafa Powell - Tested (+) in 2013

Maurice Greene - Tested (+) and linked to Angel Heredia

Tyson Gay - Tested (+) in 2013

Tim Montgomery - Tested (+) and banned from the sport

Justin Gatlin - Tested (+) in 2001 and then again in 2006, banned for 4 years, now back on the juice for the third time. What a joke.

Ben Johnson - most famous (+) drug test of all time in 1988, banned for life in 1993.

Every single one of the above listed sprinters has tested POSITIVE during their careers. Yes even Bolt!

Usain Bolt tested positive for Performance Enhancing Drugs in 2011 But because he is such a big star and very profitable, the IAAF decided not to make it public. Instead told him that he must false start intentionally in the final of the 100m at the 2011 World Championships. This false start would then be used to disqualify him from that final. So he did false start purposely, was disqualified and allowed to continue competing in the 200m.

dkny64 wrote:

Doing the Dew wrote:

Good for him? Ahh, yes, Benjamin Sinclair Johnson, the greatest sprinter who ever lived, dude would have gone 9.58 in 1990 if we had let him, and not just singled him out and targeted him for downfall. Great guy, he deserved to be allowed to go on competing. When will people learn, ALL the top sprinters are using.

I actually don't think Carl Lewis started using steroids until after Ben Johnson blew him away in 1988. Two things came together in the late 1980s - full professionalization of T&F and Johnson and FloJo demonstrating just how much of a difference steroids could make for top-tier sprinters. By 1991 worlds, I think all the major sprinters were using, and I think since then elite sprinters who don't use PEDs in a serious way are the exception.

You're crazy. In 1984 they warned people before the US trials there would be testing and an enormous amount still failed. Most everyone were on drugs way before 1991.

Well........................

What does appear to be the case is that we now have 2 distinct classes of sprinters, let's say A and B.

Guys from A will win any race without another A entrant, and are consistently sub-10 except for maybe 1 race a year.

A: Bolt, Blake, Gatlin, Powell

There is an A- class, that is either transitional, or the very best of the B:

A-: Vicaut, Dasaolu, Carter, maybe Ashmeade, and maybe some others will emerge this year

Any race in which there is a class A will be won by a class A, unless that class A is out of shape and a class A- gets them.

All the rest are together, relatively (relatively) even, and on any given day, the best of them could win a race, or at least medal, as long as there is no Class A or A- present.

You could say that, well, that is just a normal hierarchy. No. What makes this different is the certainty that a class A will win, and will win going away, and will achieve separation on a field, from which nobody else will unless they are also class A, or A-.

Powell is not a class A sprinter anymore. Nesta Carter definitely is.

There are so many errors here.

The link of Bolt to Heredia is false. See here:

http://radar.oreilly.com/2012/08/usain-bolt-and-steroids.html

Second what would be the point of Bolt false starting in the 100m and then continuing in the 200 and the 4 x 100M relay if the objective was for him to be punished? Seems like he would have just pulled out as "injured"...and his punishment would be not being allowed to compete in any races at the Daegu Worlds.

Nest Carter has never had a positive test not in 2013 or in any other year.

Mrr82 wrote:

dkny64 wrote:

I actually don't think Carl Lewis started using steroids until after Ben Johnson blew him away in 1988. Two things came together in the late 1980s - full professionalization of T&F and Johnson and FloJo demonstrating just how much of a difference steroids could make for top-tier sprinters. By 1991 worlds, I think all the major sprinters were using, and I think since then elite sprinters who don't use PEDs in a serious way are the exception.

You're crazy. In 1984 they warned people before the US trials there would be testing and an enormous amount still failed. Most everyone were on drugs way before 1991.

Through the 1988 Olympics, Carl Lewis was basically a 9.95 guy, and that was good enough to beat the competition. Then in 1988 he gets destroyed in the Olympic final, and even though Johnson was DQd, it became clear that 9.95 would no longer get the job done. Move forward to 1991 Worlds, where Lewis pops a 9.86 at age 30. Also hits a long jump series that's simply mind boggling. Could he have been using steroids before 1988? Sure, but he was crazy arrogant and I just don't happen to believe he could be bothered. After Ben Johnson, a guy his age who hadn't even been competitive with him in the past, crushed him in 1988, I believe Lewis decided it was time to start bothering with steroids. You don't have to agree with me, but somehow or other, this very talented, very well trained sprinter hit a significant PR at age 30 after years of being a consistent 9.96 +/- .04 100m guy, so my claim is that something changed after 1988.

At least 3 names on that list tested positive for Marijuana.

Are you telling me that is a performance enhancing drug now?

WhereToStart wrote:

Nest Carter has never had a positive test not in 2013 or in any other year.

Are you sure about that?

Yes I'm sure.

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/sport/Nesta-Carter-failed-no-drug-test---agent

If you insist that he did what sanction was handed down.

dkny64 wrote:

I actually don't think Carl Lewis started using steroids until after Ben Johnson blew him away in 1988.

Is there any evidence of Carl Lewis using steroids after 1988?

WhereToStart wrote:

Yes I'm sure.

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/sport/Nesta-Carter-failed-no-drug-test---agent

If you insist that he did what sanction was handed down.

It's nice that his agent says he don't do drugs.

The article I attached says that "The Jamaica Anti-Doping Commission (JADCO) has confirmed that five Jamaican athletes have tested positive for banned substances".

It had been confirmed. Is Carter not one of the five confirmed as suggested?

Don't know what sanction was handed down. Maybe got a slap on the wrist like Yohan Blake?

He's doing it again wrote:

Yowza!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyZsghMTZUI&feature=youtu.be

As I remember Bird's Nest is a low wind venue not many windy results during the Beijing Games.

So he's running faster "clean" than when he was doping?? hahaha what a joke this sport has turned out to be. Why don't we just legalize drugs instead of pretending jokes like Gatlin are clean??? Everybody knows he's juicing, so let's just all stop pretending and open up the closets so everyone can come out and juice out in the open?

utter drivel :

10.06 -2.2 Carl Lewis USA 01.07.61 1 Los Angeles 17.06.1984

=

9.927

9.86 +1.2 Carl Lewis USA 01.07.61 1 Tokyo 25.08.1991

=

9.921

he was as fast in '84 as he was in '91

Gatlin and Mitchell are on (to) something. I don't trust this odd couple for one bit, especially with Gatlin running like it's 2006.

Both of these guys didn't know anything besides running doped up, they trained under coaches who where known to dope their athletes and both are dumb*sses. So imho Graham is still involved in some way, and with that all the dubious stuff that comes with that treesome.