It's LASERS, not drugs that make NOP so good

Meyers, Miguel wrote:

I'm told they paid up to 5 Meeeelion dollars to attach the lasers to sharks to administer the treatment while they use their underwater treadmills.

All we could rustle up were mutant sea bass.

Medical lasers have been around for a while. If I remember right they are supposed to increase cellular metabolism so that healing takes place faster, kind of like dry-needling and accupuncture stimulate immune responses so the body heals itself without invasive procedures. What's doping about that? Physical therapists use it, sports chiropractors, physiotherapists, etc..

starskyandhutch wrote:

Medical lasers have been around for a while. If I remember right they are supposed to increase cellular metabolism so that healing takes place faster, kind of like dry-needling and accupuncture stimulate immune responses so the body heals itself without invasive procedures. What's doping about that? Physical therapists use it, sports chiropractors, physiotherapists, etc..

Xenon gas is non-invasive in the same way that lasers are. Nothing external is adding to what your body already has in it.

Xenon gas is potentially harmful. People will get into an ethical dilemma of taking dangerous quantities to get the results they want.

tokeon wrote:

Is "winning silver" or calling the 10000 a 10K your issue?

Both and protégé is not the best description of their relationship.

I'm no doctor, but As psycho spotter and starsky and hutch have both pointed out (and whoever posted about Lagat), this laser stuff is not news. It is noteworthy ONLY to those who seek to discredit Al in any way possible. I'm by no means Nike's biggest fan nor have a dog in the fight at all, but doesn't Hasay's performance suggest that their camp is at least partially clean?

The Rocket. wrote:

Xenon gas is potentially harmful. People will get into an ethical dilemma of taking dangerous quantities to get the results they want.

Lasers are potentially harmful as well, duh.

When I used to go to the chiropractor about 6 years ago they were using some sort of "laser pulsing" machine that supposedly did this. This isn't new. And at the time, I thought it was just some bogus crap that cost too much money.

Using ultrasound to help speed up the healing of bone injuries is common and in that same realm IMO. Though I have no clue if NOP is using that.

Frankly, the only reason this is news to me is because perhaps it isn't all BS like I originally suspected. But it probably is BS. A laser to treat muscle inflammation? Hocus pocus I say!

Tho wrote:

Rupp will do the 5k wrote:

Why wouldn't lasers be treated as the now banned xenon gas?

Because it's not performance enhancing. Should we ban ultrasound, ice machines (they make ice synthetically!), iontophoresis, or TENS?

Also, cut the NOP doper crap. If the NOP dopes, then so does True, Mead, Simpson, Meb, Flanagan, Mackey, Jäger, Hill, Huddle, Martinez, etc., because they're running just as well if not better. Just because you can't accept American distance running has its act together and kicking your ass, doesn't mean you have the right to make baseless accusations.

Of course it is performance enhancing, if it is efficacious at all, it is performance enhancing. Durability is crucial to performance.

I've used those with my PT- they really work. I've gone in with some pain that popped up that day and they laser me and the pain isn't there the next day.

Me too. This is really no big deal. I'm not a Rupp fan and I could really give a crap about this. I'm wayyyyy more interested in his prescriptions. He's got 'em, what are they all...

cdipaolo wrote:

I've used those with my PT- they really work. I've gone in with some pain that popped up that day and they laser me and the pain isn't there the next day.

To be perfectly blunt you guys who think the lasers don't matter are ignorant idiots. Don't worry I won't look for your idiotic responses. For anyone who has some time to review research, you can go through the thousands of articles on lll therapy at the NIH. Yes they work to heal faster; yes one probably gets about a 20% advantage in recovery time; yes since you don't use one you are disadvantaged. Yes since they only help that much you will for sure not be able to tell it helped you until your break a collar bone and you heal faster than expected. Good luck out there

Eugene K wrote:

To be perfectly blunt you guys who think the lasers don't matter are ignorant idiots.

Now these folks are presumably not to be confused with informed idiots.

yyy o y wrote:

Tho wrote:

Because it's not performance enhancing. Should we ban ultrasound, ice machines (they make ice synthetically!), iontophoresis, or TENS?

Also, cut the NOP doper crap. If the NOP dopes, then so does True, Mead, Simpson, Meb, Flanagan, Mackey, Jäger, Hill, Huddle, Martinez, etc., because they're running just as well if not better. Just because you can't accept American distance running has its act together and kicking your ass, doesn't mean you have the right to make baseless accusations.

Of course it is performance enhancing, if it is efficacious at all, it is performance enhancing. Durability is crucial to performance.

Yes, training and preventing injury, are performance enhancing.

but they're ill tempered, so it's all good.

Eugene K wrote:

For anyone who has some time to review research, you can go through the thousands of articles on lll therapy at the NIH.

Retard.

There are NO studies of standard research quality that show any effects of low level laser therapy. Not one single one. The only favorable research I've seen is a puny little study with 20 participants that was published in a journal dedicated to, guess what, low level laser therapy.

Now, show us these "thousands of articles" of yours.

The link on the main page is an advertisement right? It reads like one, and it keeps moving up to the top of the page each morning.

won-silver-10k wrote:

His protégé Galen Rupp won a silver at the 2012 London Olympics in the 10K.

I was engaged as a reader until the above line.

Why? The ridiculous US-centric blinkers? A mention of Rupp, but nothing about the double Olympic and World champion.