Ryan Hall 30:36 10k win today

odd couple wrote:

Did Sara run and keep the rest of the field in check?

She ran a 9:42 steeple at Payton Jordan

HRE wrote:

You often give the impression here that you're really serious about running well. If that's really true you might want to consider studying what successful runners do rather than becoming yet another of the half witted no it alls that frequent this place.

Exactly. Funny how the most experienced runners on this board never criticize the elite's training, but the guys like NotAustin18 feel totally qualified.

HardLoper wrote:

Exactly. Funny how the most experienced runners on this board never criticize the elite's training, but the guys like NotAustin18 feel totally qualified.

Yeah, you're right. Ryan Hall is clearly the master of injury prevention, so we have no grounds to comment on him doing a hard run 12 days after a marathon, even if just about every training publication out there advises against this because it'll likely lead to injuries. [sic]

Piano_Man87 wrote:

HardLoper wrote:

Exactly. Funny how the most experienced runners on this board never criticize the elite's training, but the guys like NotAustin18 feel totally qualified.

Yeah, you're right. Ryan Hall is clearly the master of injury prevention, so we have no grounds to comment on him doing a hard run 12 days after a marathon, even if just about every training publication out there advises against this because it'll likely lead to injuries. [sic]

Are those the same training publications that advise you to walk the aid stations in your first full 'thon? There have been tons of top runners who are training two weeks after a marathon, especially if they slowed down the second half to "have fun with it." Nothing new.

HardLoper wrote:

Are those the same training publications that advise you to walk the aid stations in your first full 'thon? There have been tons of top runners who are training two weeks after a marathon, especially if they slowed down the second half to "have fun with it." Nothing new.

Pfitzinger's Advanced Marathoning recommends no hard running for 3 weeks post marathon. The risk of injury outweighs the possible benefits you could accrue. Easy running - fine. Hard running - not so fine.

Ryan took October to December completely off due to a hip injury. He says he eliminated "junk mileage." Do you really think after 3 months off, it only took 4 to get to his more typical sub2:10 shape, and he therefore slowed down?

I'll stop critiquing Ryan's training when he gives a respectable performance.

HardLoper wrote:

HRE wrote:

You often give the impression here that you're really serious about running well. If that's really true you might want to consider studying what successful runners do rather than becoming yet another of the half witted no it alls that frequent this place.

Exactly. Funny how the most experienced runners on this board never criticize the elite's training, but the guys like NotAustin18 feel totally qualified.

So you think its okay for someone to race a 10k (even if just a tempo effort) 12 days after a marathon?

NotAustin18 wrote:

So you think its okay for someone to race a 10k (even if just a tempo effort) 12 days after a marathon?

A tempo is far from a race. And yes? Why is that anything significant?

HardLoper wrote:

NotAustin18 wrote:

So you think its okay for someone to race a 10k (even if just a tempo effort) 12 days after a marathon?

A tempo is far from a race. And yes? Why is that anything significant?

http://www.bunnhill.com/BobHodge/Rodgers/Races/races76.htm

Haha, what a brilliant post.

Check out that log... I see 4 marathons that year which were followed with 6-7 mile races within 1-3 weeks after each marathon.

Brilliant.

There is not one correct answer. Generally, yes. It's fine. I used to run Boston in the middle of college track seasons. I always had races less than a week afterwards and never had a problem. People did things like that all the time back in the days when we weren't so afraid of running. On the other hand, Jack Foster had a "rule" of doing no hard running for each mile he raced, so a 10,000 would mean a week of easy runs for him, a marathon would mean almost a month of easy running.

But not all marathons are equal. Some take more out of you than others do and some people recover faster. Some marathons are goals while others are stepping stones to goals. If Hall had run 6-8 minutes faster I'd be more inclined to think he should avoid hard runs for a longer time but I doubt he took that much out of himself at Boston. And again, 30:36 for 10km for someone like him, even in a diminished state, shouldn't have been all that demanding. But again, he knows how he feels and I don't and given the successes he's had I would defer to him.

We have all these formulas now that supposedly tell you how to succeed. But running is not like baking a cake. you have to adapt and adjust the formulas. That's what successful runners and coaches do and that's why it's a mistake for people to criticize successful runners and coaches because they're read something.

When Mo Farah won the double gold at the Olympics, no one complained about the slow race but when Ryan Hall DESTORYS the field in a slowish race, you guys are complaining.

Seriously?

Double standards...