down goes liliya shobukhova

B_Duck2032 wrote:

This ban will be lifted. Shobukhova will appeal with the CAS. She will argue her genetic blood profile is messed up, always has been. Her doctor will confirm.

With blood passport there is no proof, just "strong evidence". The courts have always ruled that this is never enough to ban someone from their profession.

Nothing to see here, unfortunately.

i hope you are not that chump who keeps posting drivel about Igf-insulin, etc

regardless, you make a good point

any semi-competent haematologist brought in by defense team will blast any bio-passport discreprancies into oblivion short of her reticulocyte count trebling in absence of a documented acute major haemorrhage or a haemotocrit going from 43 to 50+ in < 1/12

ventolin^3 wrote:

B_Duck2032 wrote:

This ban will be lifted. Shobukhova will appeal with the CAS. She will argue her genetic blood profile is messed up, always has been. Her doctor will confirm.

With blood passport there is no proof, just "strong evidence". The courts have always ruled that this is never enough to ban someone from their profession.

Nothing to see here, unfortunately.

i hope you are not that chump who keeps posting drivel about Igf-insulin, etc

regardless, you make a good point

any semi-competent haematologist brought in by defense team will blast any bio-passport discreprancies into oblivion short of her reticulocyte count trebling in absence of a documented acute major haemorrhage or a haemotocrit going from 43 to 50+ in < 1/12

but isn't the point that that dickering has already happened and shubu lost? Sounds to me like they have been fighting for a long time - hence the long backdate.

Heck, she can compete again in 9 months. Boston 2015!

craptastic.

Unless they're holding an eventual return to the sport over an athlete's head, there is no chance they'll collect any of these fines.

they need to level the playing field and

step-up ooc blood testing in africa

You're an idiot, quit trying to talk like a lawyer because you're clearly not.

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There should be a "down goes Ryemyen" thread too for Mariya Ryemyen

This b---- has been obvious as hell for years. You don't need a "biological passport"- just take a brief look at her career "progression":

http://www.iaaf.org/athletes/russia/liliya-shobukhova-181883#progression

Clearly she really amped the doping from 2007 to 2008, then jumped from 5000 to the marathon to dodge testing.

The ban isn't really the significant part...she hasn't been competing anyway. What matters is that the World Marathon Majors and Chicago and London want all their money back.

edward teach wrote:

Unsurprising. Russians have no morals. They care nothing for sportsmanship or fair play. Russia and Turkey should be banned from international competition. 2 years is not long enough of a ban. Wasn't the iaaf going to make it 4 starting in 2014?

Give me a break. Americans should be very humble with this, you are definitely one of countries with most doping cases. Does that have to do with your moral as americans?

11 wrote:

edward teach wrote:

Unsurprising. Russians have no morals. They care nothing for sportsmanship or fair play. Russia and Turkey should be banned from international competition. 2 years is not long enough of a ban. Wasn't the iaaf going to make it 4 starting in 2014?

Give me a break. Americans should be very humble with this, you are definitely one of countries with most doping cases. Does that have to do with your moral as americans?

this is primarily a distance running website - zero A list american distance runners have been caught in what - 10 years?

But certainly anyone would have to agree that US sprinting culture is a sick puppy.

Idiot Who Is Typical wrote:

What matters is that the World Marathon Majors and Chicago and London want all their money back.

it'll matter if they do something about getting it back

11 wrote:

edward teach wrote:

Unsurprising. Russians have no morals. They care nothing for sportsmanship or fair play. Russia and Turkey should be banned from international competition. 2 years is not long enough of a ban. Wasn't the iaaf going to make it 4 starting in 2014?

Give me a break. Americans should be very humble with this, you are definitely one of countries with most doping cases. Does that have to do with your moral as americans?

I need to correct myself: There is no other country on earth that has anywhere near as many doping cases as USA.

7890 wrote:

11 wrote:

Give me a break. Americans should be very humble with this, you are definitely one of countries with most doping cases. Does that have to do with your moral as americans?

this is primarily a distance running website - zero A list american distance runners have been caught in what - 10 years?

But certainly anyone would have to agree that US sprinting culture is a sick puppy.

Well then maybe you should limit the critique to "russian distance runners have no moral", if that is what you think, instead of accusing the whole nation.

11 wrote:

11 wrote:

Give me a break. Americans should be very humble with this, you are definitely one of countries with most doping cases. Does that have to do with your moral as americans?

I need to correct myself: There is no other country on earth that has anywhere near as many doping cases as USA.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AozPsRB4vhk2dDMtY296dDQ1Q0RDRzdLay1jSzJRaGc#gid=4

no idea what your spreadsheet shows, but I believe India is the guiltiest country.

I'm so happy that they finally caught her. I always thought that she was very suspicious.

11 wrote:

7890 wrote:

this is primarily a distance running website - zero A list american distance runners have been caught in what - 10 years?

But certainly anyone would have to agree that US sprinting culture is a sick puppy.

Well then maybe you should limit the critique to "russian distance runners have no moral", if that is what you think, instead of accusing the whole nation.

well, the most accurate critique would be something like this:

"russian and former soviet union sprinters, throwers and distance runners have no morals, along with American sprinters."

Didn't she run a 4:45 mile or something at the end of Chicago? Maybe in 2009? That's when I got suspicious.

Final 2.195km 6.23 2.49 per km if im not mistaken

Shobukhova is a doper, but Radcliffe is both a doper AND mentally ill.

Good luck to everybody getting their money back. They only way that would happen would be if the Russian state wanted to give it back, which they never will. Likely some official along the line will tell her that they will split with her what she has left, and "guarantee" that she won't have to give it back.

11 wrote:

11 wrote:

Give me a break. Americans should be very humble with this, you are definitely one of countries with most doping cases. Does that have to do with your moral as americans?

I need to correct myself: There is no other country on earth that has anywhere near as many doping cases as USA.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AozPsRB4vhk2dDMtY296dDQ1Q0RDRzdLay1jSzJRaGc#gid=4

I have no idea what the source is for that data, but it has no US runners on it. (But it does have Ken Caminiti who died in 2004!) The inflated numbers for the US come from things like baseball with 39 cases (including Keith Hernandez and 12 others for cocaine in the mid-80's) and MMA with 21. If this suggests anything it's that US professional sports, almost alone in the world outside the Olympic disciplines, have at least a somewhat rigorous anti-doping program.