Who the heck is andrew carnes from ohio? Busted for epo by usada

Ghelin wrote:

You've got to be nuts to dope as a sub-elite unless you're a doctor/nurse or something.

Not just sub-elites, there are plenty of local elites doping.

I was going to leave a comment on his facebook page, but he has all these photos of himself and his girlfriend - now I feel bad for the guy!

what does he do with his life outside of running?

Surely his prize money alone isn't near enough to pay the bills.

I know of more than a few bored upper-middle class/rich white dudes who have plenty of spare change one might be tempted to spend on PEDs if he was really into running/triathlons but not good enough to actually a be a pro.

Realism wrote:

what does he do with his life outside of running?

Surely his prize money alone isn't near enough to pay the bills.

I know of more than a few bored upper-middle class/rich white dudes who have plenty of spare change one might be tempted to spend on PEDs if he was really into running/triathlons but not good enough to actually a be a pro.

It's usually not about going pro in the conventional sense of gear and contract, but more about feeding the ego and being the top guy in the area who dominates.

I know what you mean, I was down on Lance Armstrong for being a raging liar and @-hole, shafting people for millions of $, then I found out he had a girlfriend. I actually teared up a little.

Soft at heart wrote:

I was going to leave a comment on his facebook page, but he has all these photos of himself and his girlfriend - now I feel bad for the guy!

Ha! The name sounded familiar. He beat me in my first half marathon that I ran in 2010. He ran 66:19 and I ran 66:46. What a fool, glad he was caught.

TLW wrote:

It's usually not about going pro in the conventional sense of gear and contract, but more about feeding the ego and being the top guy in the area who dominates.

That's exactly what I'm saying.

I think a lot of sub sub elites type take the stuff. I know a guy on a forum who suddenly jumped to 2:40 marathon after never being able to break 19 in a 5k. Another guy ran div 3 and sucked like 30 min 8k Suddenly he gets out and runs 2:39 marathons. And 26. 8ks.

Dopeheads. wrote:

http://www.usada.org/media/sanction-carnes41814

Who????

I once had a boss at a summer job back in college who owned a really successful landscaping company and was a triathlon fanatic. Dude had the most inflated ego ever (would never shut up about how awesome he is because hes 40 and not fat or poor) and looking back would be the textbook example of an average competitor who might try doping.

You would be surprised at how easy it is to make a fair amount of cash, especially if you are willing to travel and run less competitive marathons out of driving distance from the NY/NJ/DC Kenyans. I made over 2 g's last year. i know another guy in the NE who won 4 decent sized NE marathons last year. He probably cleared close to 10 grand barely breaking 2:20.

That being said - how much does epo cost? theres no way what he was winning was covering what he had to spend on the drugs.

grad runner wrote:

I once had a boss at a summer job back in college who owned a really successful landscaping company and was a triathlon fanatic. Dude had the most inflated ego ever (would never shut up about how awesome he is because hes 40 and not fat or poor) and looking back would be the textbook example of an average competitor who might try doping.

Just curious... we're you working in Milwaukee?

I knew a master's runner who had both the money and the access, and at a career point of declining performance, suddenly had a season where he dropped his times dramatically (over a minute in the 5K) setting lifetime bests, and attributed it to "faster training partners". After that one year, he returned to his former, good, but not top-level, self. If he was dabbling, at least he satisfied his curiosity and went back to his regular program.

jniji wrote:

justgorun wrote:

EPO is not going to give you THAT much of an advantage. I'm guessing the 2010 performance jump was due to more intense or smarter training.

Yeah there's no way that EPO had anything to do with him being able to train more intensely.

I think he was being sarcastic.

Uncle Adolfee wrote:

RIPSammy wrote:

Yeah the Kenyans swoop into a lot of the races...let's face it though, they need the money a lot more than we do.

So you acknowledge being subhuman.

You're basically saying one group of people is better than another, I like it. Thats an idea people can get behind if I don't say so myself.

No. You're basically saying that he basically said that, but he basically didn't, Mr Reading Comprehension Fail.

TRITON1 wrote:

I ran in many races with Carnes. Even congratulated him on his performances more than once. He is (now was) one of the top NE Ohio runners and usually won or finished in the top 3 in low money races ($200-$500 in prize money) in the Ohio Challenge Series. I remember him accepting a large check (I believe over $1000) at the annual banquet honoring the overall winners and age-group winners of the series. He is well-known in the running community and I really don't understand why he would do this. This is a really sad day for the running community of NE Ohio. I think he owes a public apology to all the people he misled and took prize money from.

Good info.

The boy probably collected 4 or 5k that year. That only paid him his EPO, and other stuffs like travels, shoes, entry fees and clothes. But like others said, it's more about ego. Outside D1 athletes and pros with $$ contracts, how many people runs 30 flat for 10k in NE Ohio?

I think that's a high estimate. Even if he picked up $1k for the series, I doubt he pieced together another 3k with $200-300 wins here and there. What I find particularly shameful about this one is his participation in the series. You've got a bunch of people pulling together to set up and link a great series of events and presumably familiar faces at many of the events. This guy is showing up among the same people over and over again and competing with an unfair advantage.And to the guy who linked to his picture: come on, be fair! You put a link to a picture with TWO people and no easy way to determine which one is Carnes!

Ben L Wrong wrote:

Good info.

The boy probably collected 4 or 5k that year. That only paid him his EPO, and other stuffs like travels, shoes, entry fees and clothes. But like others said, it's more about ego. Outside D1 athletes and pros with $$ contracts, how many people runs 30 flat for 10k in NE Ohio?

Photo Evidence wrote:

The actual drug deal caught on camera:

http://media3.vindy.com/img/photos/2011/10/23/10232011wdlpeaceh.jpg

That's Carnes in the red.....

Riverdale Runner wrote:

Ghelin wrote:

You've got to be nuts to dope as a sub-elite unless you're a doctor/nurse or something.

Not just sub-elites, there are plenty of local elites doping.

"local elites"? Come on, that is a BS term. Is a local elite a 35 min 10K guy because he is the fastest in the area?

Am I the only one here who doesn't give the tiniest bit of a shit if someone is doping? I'd only care if running were my livelihood and I lost to a doped runner. But in my current situation it wouldn't bother me in the least if I lost to a doped runner, even if prize money was involved.