Also rats out his manager for 7 TdF wins:
"Johan Bruyneel participated in or assisted with Armstrong's use of PEDs, and knew of that use through their conversations and acts," Armstrong states.
Also rats out his manager for 7 TdF wins:
"Johan Bruyneel participated in or assisted with Armstrong's use of PEDs, and knew of that use through their conversations and acts," Armstrong states.
And this is pure lawyer language:
"Armstrong has not paid or offered to pay someone to keep his or others' doping a secret," he stated. "However, Armstrong has, on occasion, provided benefits or made contributions to many people and institutions, some of whom may have been aware of, or suspected Armstrong's use of performance-enhancing drugs and banned methods. Armstrong never provided any such benefits or contributions with the intent for it to be a payoff to keep doping a secret."
Why should he protect these people? They should be "outed" as well. They were willfully helping someone cheat so they could reap monetary reward.
Anybody who has been awake already knew all of this. Really adds nothing.
There's a difference between already knowing this and having a major national newspaper report on the information being testified to under oath.
Mr. Obvious wrote:
Anybody who has been awake already knew all of this. Really adds nothing.
he's a total turd. in the most recent book, "cycle of lies", he's quoted that "i ain't no f*ck*ng rat like these other pu**ies". weird to think about him just maybe ending up with zero dollars, 5 kids, a needy ex wife, and a pissed off live in girlfriend.
Does Lance have any credibility left?
big george rationalizes wrote:
and a pissed off live in girlfriend.
I am sure he transferred a lot of money to her. She is the winner in a story full of losers.
Why she stays with him is beyond me though. Love?
Er... wrote:
There's a difference between already knowing this and having a major national newspaper report on the information being testified to under oath.
Mr. Obvious wrote:Anybody who has been awake already knew all of this. Really adds nothing.
The USADA report included sworn affidavits from Armstrong's teammates covering most of the same ground, not to mention Tyler Hamilton's book.
Meanwhile, Steakboy Contador still rides!!!
Among the more common tropes on this board is the "Bored Know-it-All," the insider who refuses to be scooped. Virtually any piece of information that's part of an ongoing story is greeted with responses such as, "Anybody who's familiar with this story knew this ages ago." It's really quite tiresome.The OP's claim in this story is news of Lance's (not his teammates', not Tyler Hamilton's) sworn testimony naming several individuals as being fully aware of his drug use.So, we all KNEW this ages ago. OTHER PEOPLE talked about this ages ago. BUT, have we previously had public reporting about sworn testimony FROM Lance saying these people knew about his drug use? If not, then shut up and let the OP make his point!
Citizen Runner wrote:
The USADA report included sworn affidavits from Armstrong's teammates covering most of the same ground, not to mention Tyler Hamilton's book.
Er... wrote:
There's a difference between already knowing this and having a major national newspaper report on the information being testified to under oath.
I don't think there is any difference. I don't really believe his denial of doping during his comeback but there really isn't a smoking gun on that (I don't think any of his teammates testified about drug use in that time period, but I could have forgotten something).
I would be interested in more details of the alleged positive during the TdS, as that involves a coverup by UCI.
Mr. Obvious wrote:
I don't think there is any difference.
The big story here is not the story about his teammates. They already outed themselves.
The big story is about JB (his manager who was fighting charges, and this will be the final nail in the coffin for him) and about Ferrari, whom some people trusted until know (compare to what Renato Canova said about him).
Oh, and Carmichael, who still trains athletes in the US.
Nutella1 wrote:
Mr. Obvious wrote:I don't think there is any difference.
The big story here is not the story about his teammates. They already outed themselves.
The big story is about JB (his manager who was fighting charges, and this will be the final nail in the coffin for him) and about Ferrari, whom some people trusted until know (compare to what Renato Canova said about him).
Oh, and Carmichael, who still trains athletes in the US.
OK, I agree that those are stories. Particularly Carmichael who has mostly skated up to this point, I think. Of course if you did a little digging it was clear that he was part of a doping culture himself in his time on the USA team and he was part of doping junior athletes.
[quote]Er... wrote:
. . . If not, then shut up and let the OP make his point!
[quote]
Fine
BREAKING: Lance Armstrong throws Ferrari (who is under a lifetime suspension from sport based on the sworn testimony of numerous clients excepting Lance Armstrong) under the bus (which was backing up over Ferrari's lifeless corpse for the fourth or fifth time).
+1
Er.... is an idiot.
Of course everybody knew and assisted.
Conspiracy theory? No. Conspiracy FACT.
I fail to see how my idiocy is relevant.
Er... wrote:
I fail to see how my idiocy is relevant.
That's because you are an idiot.
Mr. Obvious wrote:Of course if you did a little digging it was clear...
Lots of things seem relatively clear if you do a little digging, but that's different from having them confirmed under oath by one of the protagonists. For example, I'd be willing to pretty much stake my life that the Chinese women's running records of the 1990s were doped, but I'd still be very interested to read news (and would consider it "breaking") if Ma Junren or Wang Jungxa testified about drug use in the group.
hold the phone wrote:
Mr. Obvious wrote:Of course if you did a little digging it was clear...Lots of things seem relatively clear if you do a little digging, but that's different from having them confirmed under oath by one of the protagonists. For example, I'd be willing to pretty much stake my life that the Chinese women's running records of the 1990s were doped, but I'd still be very interested to read news (and would consider it "breaking") if Ma Junren or Wang Jungxa testified about drug use in the group.
Stake your life on it , guess you know more than the rest of us. No they never admitted to drug use nor did any of his super elites test positive. Could any of Ma's Chinese medicinal medicine blends had an impact on performance , yes without question.