no
slow races overall to bell, both finish in similar time
it comes down to final finish
i will
after a previous 11.7 !!!
11.7/24.8 !!!
on dirt !!!
how on earth can you not mention the 11.7 as that is most important part by far of his last 300m - it's bedrock
no
he was following a fast drawn out finish & put his final kick at that point
his last 100 was 12.2
you can't claim 12.1 as the 100m lane line is not in the shot & no side-on angle & don't claim nonsense about dvd quality, that is the only feed of the race with running clock & no clear 100m lane mark in shot at 3'26+
& he got drafted for 1/2 that bend offering ~ 0.15s
no
it's virtually unchanged when the drafting he got for half the bend is considered
err...
with ryun's previous 100 being 11.7 v 13.9 !!!
it was an unbelievable 11.7 !!!
utter nonsense
the german account says the 800 split was 2'03.6 & dvd-guy says 1200 split was 3'01.6
that means Ryun's previous 400 had been 58.0 NOT 60.0
no
it's 3.5s
you talk nonsense about considering total race & you don't
Ryun's split to 800 was 2'03.6 compared to coe's 2'05.2
Ryun had put in more effort in the initial 800 than coe, 1.6s faster & slower by 3.5s in next 400m
& none of this takes into account that from 1100 - 1200 the accounts say that he had to run wide on the curve as bodo tried to push him wider "impeding" him
nor once again you seem to forget that Ryun's clockings are on dirt
much faster than 60.0 you wrongly said
it was 58.0 including a wide bend
& also the initial 800 had been run faster by Ryun
how dumb are you ???
what on earth do you think a 36.5/50.5 finish in a 3'38.2 indicates ???
you also cannot find any kind of brain to analyse that 46.9r link : only 18y, quagmire, 3'55+ mile in his legs, etc...
you forget that one of those 47.0 was after an earlier 4'08 mile & 1'49.1 for 880y
after all that fatigue, he won the relay in 47.0
no account if he already had a big lead & coud cruise around to 47.0
as for the other 47.0 that was after a world class 3'54.7 mile & again no record of how much effort he had to put into that 47.0
you once again are clueless about importance of t&f news quotes
they do not run any meet or are official timers
the 46.9 was from official uni newsletter account & their guys timed it
he ran 4'02/1'47.9/48.5 in march '66 whilst still tuning up for major part of season, the 46.9 came 1/12 later
in mid-april again prior to 46.9, he went 3'07 for a 1320y & then 47.6
as for what might have been his best relay run in '66 in terms of context :
on 10th june he ran 1'50.9 prelim & when still ill, he ran 1'44.9wr & the next day he ran 4'02 mile & finished with a 47.8 relay !!!
who on earth has run 2 races the next day after running a 800m wr ???!!!
nonsense
you are looking at wrong sources
that is a nonsense argument
few if any races apart from most high-profile ones were on tv back then
get a clue, it was the '60s !!!
we take the official times
if you were there & had your own clockings, offer them
nonsense
it was "officially" 1'41.73 no 1.41.5
utter drivel
we had top timers who's life depended on hand-timing accuracy as that was all that was available
if you have your own personal clockings, offer them
utter nonsense
these were meets which had been run for decades on same track & they were uni tracks meaning they had high grade mathemticians/physicists/etc to check tracks
nonsense
you don't come up with an "average" especially when he is on record that there were less than a handful of times/y he was ready to run fast
you go with his best clocking
is this concept too difficult for you ?!
more nonsense
coe actually ran open 400s
48.3 for 2nd, a 47.7 & 47.6 all on dirt in '79
why not use a 47.8+ average for actual 400 ability on dirt in '79 ???
that must be dumbest comment ever posted here !!!
http://kuhistory.com/articles/ryuns-run/only a complete fool woud doubt the timings or conditions of that meet
they did not write relevant paragraphs nearly 50y ago expecting some nobody in today's day'n'age to dispute
if you have some alternative account of that day, offer it
why are you not offering some dispute of the 3'55.8 there ???
err...
i possess a brain & use it
what about lj runway unfit to be able to run on that they had to import a conveyor belt as runway ???
what does that tell your brain about the state of the running track ???
err...
the concept of "peaking" clearly seems beyond you ?!
Ryun never ran a relay at his peak in july/august '67
how about coe running 48.3 or 47.6 on dirt for an actual 400 in '79 ?!
where was his "blazing" speed in a rubbish 48.3 which unsurprisingly he lost
that kansas run indicates close to 45-flat speed for a rested open 400 & he was much better an athlete at 20y v 18y
with his crushing endurance, those are requirements to dip into 1'39s
it seems you really can't read
where do you see ventolin^3 associated with those posts ???
nonsense
i use as much available info to come up with best possible estimate
the estimates for Ryun '67 come out as
45.0/1'39.9/3'24.2
no
it is an impartial opinion with best numbers available, not nonsense like being 2s out with Ryun's 800 - 1200 split in dusseldorf