Ben True pulls away from Chris Derrick in last mile - Shalane Flanagan sets American Record at 2014 Gate River (US 15k)

Barnicle over Quigley, matching the results of the MA High School Outdoor state meet several years back when Quigley was a senior and Barnicle a sophomore.

K55 wrote:

Barnicle over Quigley, matching the results of the MA High School Outdoor state meet several years back when Quigley was a senior and Barnicle a sophomore.

Ritchie May have been in that race also, as he is from Wooshta.

Almost seems to fast for Shalane with Boston in mind. 31:00 is a pretty respectable 10k in and of itself, and to run that for 15k is even more impressive.

Unless this course is downhill or something I don't know about, to be running something nearly equivalent to her 10k PR is pretty fast. Will be awesome if she is just that fit and tears it up in Boston though.

Mcmillan's calculator says Shalane's run is equivalent to a 30:20 10k, 1:07:36 HM, and a 2:22:17 marathon.

A great run at Gate results in a lousy run in Boston.

local 5k guy wrote:

Mcmillan's calculator says Shalane's run is equivalent to a 30:20 10k, 1:07:36 HM, and a 2:22:17 marathon.

The year Deena ran 47:15 she went on to run a then American record 2:21:16 in London, so this bodes well for Shalane.

Green jacket, gold jacket...

Chicken Hawk wrote:

Ritchie May have been in that race also, as he is from Wooshta.

No, but he and Barnicle were in the 2004 and 2005 versions of the same race, the two-mile at the Mass. All-State Track and Field Champs. In 2003, the sophomore Barnicle ran 9:04 to the senior Quigley's second-place 9:16. In 2004, Barnicle won in 9:10 and Ritchie was 12th in 9:46. In 2005, Barnicle again won in 9:10 while Ritchie was 8th in 9:48.

In cross-country, Barnicle was 1st and Ritchie 4th in the D-1 race at the Mass. All-State XC Champs when they were both seniors. Zach Hine, who's also still going strong, won the D-2 race that day.

Shalane has been in great shape in March before, as when she was 3rd at World XC a few years ago. I hope that she runs low 2:20s. To this point in her career, she has been best at 5000 and 10000m. She could obviously run a very strong 10k at Stanford if she weren't running Boston.

Awesome run by Shalane

Agreed Rojo...No reason he shouldn't get track time

in the top tier meets this summer.

rojo wrote:

PS. Is sub 13:00 and sub 27:00 crazy to contemplate? Greedy but is is 100% certifiable to even type that?

Tough to judge from this, as he wasn't getting pulled along by a group of faster runners and it's on the road.

If he ran a track 15K in 43:02 it would indicate roughly 28:00 10K fitness.

Komon ran a road 15K in 41:13 with 5K/10K PRs of 12:58/26:55.

True is not in the best shape of his life right now based on this result, but we don't know how much he had in the tank.

My guess is he won't be close to 27:00 and will find sub 13:00 extremely difficult.

If he held this pace through HM it'd be good for 60:33.

One thing to note, though, is that True apparently closed in 4 flat: http://www.runblogrun.com/2014/03/usa-15k-shalane-flanagan-sets-15k-ar-in-4703-ben-true-wins-in-4303-from-usarc.htmlObviously, we can't determine how much faster he could have gone had he run more evenly, but separating from Derrick by 11 seconds in the last mile bodes well for him on the track.

Most Interesting Coach ITW wrote:

Tough to judge from this, as he wasn't getting pulled along by a group of faster runners and it's on the road.

If he ran a track 15K in 43:02 it would indicate roughly 28:00 10K fitness.

Komon ran a road 15K in 41:13 with 5K/10K PRs of 12:58/26:55.

True is not in the best shape of his life right now based on this result, but we don't know how much he had in the tank.

My guess is he won't be close to 27:00 and will find sub 13:00 extremely difficult.

If he held this pace through HM it'd be good for 60:33.[/quote]

Shalane won so heavily. That's a great time.

Flanagan went through 10k near 31 flat. True supposedly put those 13 seconds on Derrick with his 4:00 final mile.

Assuming the article linked from the home page is correct

(http://members.jacksonville.com/sports/local-sports/local-running/2014-03-15/story/shalane-flanagan-sets-gate-river-run-record) it looks like he had a lot left in the tank:

"True completed the final mile in less than four minutes to accelerate past a tiring Derrick as the road curved around EverBank Field to the relocated finish line."

Most Interesting Coach ITW wrote:

rojo wrote:

PS. Is sub 13:00 and sub 27:00 crazy to contemplate? Greedy but is is 100% certifiable to even type that?

Tough to judge from this, as he wasn't getting pulled along by a group of faster runners and it's on the road.

If he ran a track 15K in 43:02 it would indicate roughly 28:00 10K fitness.

Komon ran a road 15K in 41:13 with 5K/10K PRs of 12:58/26:55.

True is not in the best shape of his life right now based on this result, but we don't know how much he had in the tank.

My guess is he won't be close to 27:00 and will find sub 13:00 extremely difficult.

If he held this pace through HM it'd be good for 60:33.

He did close in sub 4 though which is pretty quick even if the pace was a bit slow.

Which is a bit surprising that the pace was not blistering and Derrick, who has been dominant so far, actually started to fade in the last mile according to True's comments.

I'm still a little in shock about Shalane's time. She came through in 31 flat apparently, which is only 40 seconds of her track 10000 PR...and continued blistering for another 5k.

I'm still a little worried though. Seems too fast. You just don't see the top guys running especially fast when in the midst of heavy marathon training (sub 60 is pretty rare for tune up halfs for a marathon for the guys) so I hope Shalane isn't going to be too sharp. Of course the other possibility is she is just on a new level and ready to blast sub 2:20

K55 wrote:

Barnicle over Quigley, matching the results of the MA High School Outdoor state meet several years back when Quigley was a senior and Barnicle a sophomore.

*cough* 11 years *cough*

suddenly I feel old...

I'm very skeptical of the claim that he ran his last mile sub-4. Is the last mile downhill? Ben True's best 1500 on the track is only like 3:40. He'd have a really tough time running a single sub-4 mile on the roads, let alone after 8 miles of hard racing.