go gun wrote:
I guess we need to add "think I can" to the list of "should", "could have", "will", "converts to", etc.
Listen up you stupid old farts, you need to actually go out and run a sub five mile, not speculate on your ability to do so.
Sack up or shut up!
Ha ha! Thank you for clearing this up for me. But so I'm absolutely clear:
*Does sub-5 count if you run it in a longer race?--(e.g., I never ran sub-5 after age 44, but I did run 14:34 for 5000 at age 46).
*Does it count if I run it in a workout?
*How about a non-USATF sanctioned all-comers meet?--(because USATF wouldn't acknowledge that)
*How about in a USATF sanctioned meet which is missing a meet director with a USATF certification?--(because USATF wouldn't consider that an official time either)
*How about on the road in a certified mile?--(because, of course, the distance doesn't have to be exactly a mile in order to be certified)
*How many timers are required for this official time to take place?
*Does there need to be FAT backup?
*Etc.
In any case, you seem to be missing the point, although I recognize that your real point is to entertain yourself (run out of Kleenex, have we?). It's not that anyone believes running a 1500 time that indicates sub-5 potential is the exact same thing as running sub-5. It's that a bunch of old guys who want to acknowledge other old guys as sub-5 caliber runners--based on those conversions--get to do it whether it pleases you or not. Of course, you obviously have the right to your opinion, but you certainly don't speak for "track and field" or for its older--or younger--participants.
So listen up, fellow old guys trying to break 5 minutes: Unlike our judgmental and inexperienced friends on this thread, I and other old guys understand how hard it is to get healthy and then stay there. We know that the masters mantra of "As soon as you're fit, find a race and run it!" often precludes being too picky about what race that will be. And if that race ends up being a 1500 and you run about 4:37 or better, rest assured that the vast majority of us will recognize you as sub-5 minute milers ... and then will share a laugh with you that we've reached a point where such a thing is a prized accomplishment.
By the way, young gunners, have YOU ever run a sub-5? If so, prove it. If not or if you're unwilling to provide proof, perhaps you should, let's see, how to put this, oh yes: Sack up or shut up.