RE: Malaysia Airlines: Passengers' cellphones still ring, is China hiding the truth?

Fine point wrote:

You can land and hide a jumbo jet anywhere in the ocean or in the jungles of Malaysia or Sumatra. It's just that no one is likely to survive the landing and it's very hard to find the wreckage. That's much more likely than a controlled landing at an airfield.

I think the jet may have crashed on land in some remote region (with the other and more likely possibility being that for some unknown reason the plane went WAY off course and crashed into the sea where nobody could possibly be looking for it).

This is a good article for those not familiar with aviation.

I'm wondering why the search area hasn't expanded further eastward into the South China Sea?

It was Aliens

Maybe the survivors of a plane crash have been forced to live with each other on a remote island, a dangerous new world that poses unique threats of its own.

The trauma of the crash could soon be overshadowed by the island itself, where unseen creatures stalk the jungle, paranormal happenings abound and astonishing coincidences reveal themselves.

In this unique environment, emotions may swell as the survivors will have to battle their inner and outer demons, and strive to live together - so that they won't die alone.

Expect Lost v2 to eventually come to TV screen.

ALF #4 wrote:

It was Aliens

Snakes on a plane!

Fine point wrote:

fgdfgfertrgsdagg wrote:

I asked my friend that is in flight school if there is anywhere in the world you could land and hide a jumbo jet, he said no, because the runway has to be about 2000m.

Then I heard about the North Korean option, or maybe some place remote in China.

My personal conspiracy theory, and it is 1/1000000, is that the jet landed in North Korea.

On Tomnod.com you can scour satellite imagery to help with the search

You can land and hide a jumbo jet anywhere in the ocean or in the jungles of Malaysia or Sumatra. It's just that no one is likely to survive the landing and it's very hard to find the wreckage. That's much more likely than a controlled landing at an airfield.

That is not called landing. That is called wrecking.

Over at Professional Pilots Rumor Network there is a 100+ page discussion of this flight.

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/535538-malaysian-airlines-mh370-contact-lost-103.html

The gist of the current discussion is two possible scenarios.

1. Rapid, explosive decompression that either switched the black box to standby or the copilot switched it to standby by mistake, shutting it off. The plane began an autopilot turn and descent to the west, possibly to 29,000 feet. The oxygen masks failed and the cockpit crew passed out. The aircraft continued west until it ran out of fuel.

2. Terrorists forced the crew to shut down the black box. Lots of speculation on what happens next. One scenario is that the terrorists wanted to crash into a major building somewhere. When their intentions became obvious to the pilot, he switched off the autopilot and crash dived into the sea, but this could have been hundreds of miles from the current search locations.

The consensus is that the aircraft will not be found in the current search areas.

maybe just maybe wrote:

Planes are tracked globally via their transponders. Transponders can be turned off or fail due to electrical / mechanical issues. Radars have limited range and I don't think anyone has built large enough radars yet to track airplanes over large bodies of water.

Transponder data for this flight:

Note that due to data link coverage, transponder data is not continuous on this route either.

Samuel L Jackson wrote:

Snakes on a plane!

I hate those guys! Well, maybe the snakes aren't so bad as the bonehead passengers that get all panicky and shit.

If the phone rings they can "ping" the phone and get a position through satellites. I'm sure they have tried that but where are the reaults.

The fact that the authorities/media were immediately ruling out terrorism makes one suspect the US govt was involved in this

fisky: interesting info. But I don't get how a black box can be switched off accidentally or even by decompression. Aren't these things built to withstand pretty much everything?

gagdas wrote:

fisky: interesting info. But I don't get how a black box can be switched off accidentally or even by decompression. Aren't these things built to withstand pretty much everything?

There's some terminology confusion. The ADS transponder, which transmits information, can be manually switched off by the flight crew though this is unusual. Obviously it is also subject to going out due to electrical or mechanical failure. "Black box" usually refers to the flight data recorder, a different device which logs flight and cockpit voice data but does not transmit. The flight data recorder can not be turned off by the flight crew. The flight data recorder does have an acoustic beacon detectable by sonar systems to aid in its recover.

Which will function for an estimated 30 days.

Citizen Runner wrote:

The flight data recorder does have an acoustic beacon detectable by sonar systems to aid in its recover.

Er... wrote:

Correct. Fly London to NY and for a long part of the trip there will be no radar contact with the plane. Do people really not understand how radar works? It's not exactly cutting edge technology.

maybe just maybe wrote:

Radars have limited range and I don't think anyone has built large enough radars yet to track airplanes over large bodies of water.

Obviously people, at least you two, don't understand how radars function.

Radar has been around for several decades.

Please pull out the map, and see where the aircraft 1st disappeared. It was near lands (Malaysia and Vietnam). While the responding communication might have been turned off, manually or not, the signal on the radar screen would not have vanished SUDDENLY for no reason, unless the radar data has been hidden from the public (The Malaysian gov and Vietnamese gov as well, have not be honest on revealing the data). It would have taken a while for the aircraft to fly out of the radar range, and possibly into another radar range.

It was not in the middle of, say the Atlantic or the Pacific.

Get yourself educated!

Certainly, the airplane could suddenly disappear from the radar if it dived to below the altitude of radar detection limit. In that case there's the possibility that's where the airplane started lost power and headed to the surface for crash.

Why don't you educate me and tell me exactly how long it takes to fly out of radar contact in Malaysia or Vietnam. Just because the plane was near land doesn't mean there was radar coverage.

How long do you think it takes to fly out of radar contact on the US coasts by the way?

I don't think you know as much about radar as you think you do.

liker of life wrote:

Hijacking, suicide, whatever. In any case I'll stay far away from airlines from muslim countries.

that would be clear discrimination on your part.

most muslims are NOT high jackers or suicide bombers.